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amd wattman system failure

I know this doesn't help you very much but just wanted to say I like Wattman. It doesn't seem to get much love buy I've used it pretty much since day one. It's simple to use and nice to have an OC tool built into drivers, no need for extra software etc.

I've only get driver timeout errors if I've entered my OC settings wrong by mistake.

Maybe this link will be of some help...
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-800
 
Anyway, besides the point, it won't fix, AMD issues rarely do from experience, you either have them or don't.

when i say i had the same problem but with a differnt card i feel i should clear this up... i was talking about the fan off function not wattman been a pain in the ass.
i then said i bios modded the card to fix the fan to a minimum of 20% but i didnt want to go poking about inthe 6600xt bios when i cant find and info about how to mad fan speeds and it been a single bios GPU
 
I had to manually set fan speeds in WattMan with the 5700-XT or the fans would not spin at all.

for me that would be an RMA, that as to be a PWM or TEMP sensor problem?? not driver as you didnt RMA i assume it gamed or worked ok and therefor the driver was good
 
for me that would be an RMA, that as to be a PWM or TEMP sensor problem?? not driver as you didnt RMA i assume it gamed or worked ok and therefor the driver was good
It was a well known issue with 5700-XT along side black screens etc.
 
Based on what info? can i see some links to the info please, its the same silicon as a CPU and there is no way you would be happy with it idling at 50c

GPUs used to idle at that sort of temperature before they clocked down and they lasted easily 5+ years, the components around a GPU are usually rated to 100, even 120 and they're fairly comfortable in the 70-80 range, so at 50 on the GPU they'll be around 30-40 and that's no problem. I care more about keeping the VRAM temps down than the GPU, tbh. CPUs would also be fine with a 50c idle, but I wouldn't be so keen on the voltage needed to do that :o
 
GPUs used to idle at that sort of temperature before they clocked down and they lasted easily 5+ years, the components around a GPU are usually rated to 100, even 120 and they're fairly comfortable in the 70-80 range, so at 50 on the GPU they'll be around 30-40 and that's no problem. I care more about keeping the VRAM temps down than the GPU, tbh. CPUs would also be fine with a 50c idle, but I wouldn't be so keen on the voltage needed to do that :o

So turning on the fan and cooling the gpu and the heatsink that’s in direct contact with ram…. You said what I’m doing is wrong that said your not happy with ram sitting at that temp.

You don’t need high voltage for the cpu to sit at 50c just set the fan to stop below 50c. But again it’s just something I would be happy with.

The pcb bending of motherboards and gpu board is from prolonged high heat. The back plate gets silly hot so all the caps and resistors are sitting at 50c heating by the gpu temp… my m.2 drive drops 11c when the gpu fan is on and it sits behind the pcie socket so it’s not the air movement as it not in the flow path it just because the back of the gpu is cooled
 
So turning on the fan and cooling the gpu and the heatsink that’s in direct contact with ram…. You said what I’m doing is wrong that said your not happy with ram sitting at that temp.

You don’t need high voltage for the cpu to sit at 50c just set the fan to stop below 50c. But again it’s just something I would be happy with.

The pcb bending of motherboards and gpu board is from prolonged high heat. The back plate gets silly hot so all the caps and resistors are sitting at 50c heating by the gpu temp… my m.2 drive drops 11c when the gpu fan is on and it sits behind the pcie socket so it’s not the air movement as it not in the flow path it just because the back of the gpu is cooled

I never said what you're doing is wrong, I don't even know what you're doing, I was just responding to your question about 30 and 50c :p

About the VRAM, I don't care about 50c VRAM either, I was just suggesting that the durability of VRAM at high temperatures (by that I mean, way hotter than 50c) bothers me more than the GPU does, since I've had GPUs cooking themselves and lasting for years, but modern VRAM (like GDDR6X) runs at silly temps (e.g. 90c+) I don't entirely trust.

Solid caps and 'fets are rated at least to 85c in a motherboard, usually to 105c, so I don't think they'll care about being 50c. Their projected life time at 50c is some 20 odd years. Poor quality electrolytics it is a different story, I'd keep those under 50c if I could. M.2 drives are fine too to idle at 50c.
 
Their projected life time at 50c is some 20 odd years

show me this info, a cap is expected to run at below 30c for over 80% of its life. it not expected to pinned to the wall every day of its life. so based on that id like to know where you pull your info from of if you just out there preding crap about for fun?
"Supreme 12K black capacitors with lifespans of at least 12,000 hours [emphasis added]. Compared to other counterparts on high-end motherboards that merely have lifespans of around 10,000 hours, ASRock applied Nichicon 12K Black Caps that offer 20% longer lifespans and provide more stability and reliability."

12,000 Hours = 500 Days = 1.37 Years (total power on time) - This is based on it spending 80% of its life below 30C, so again where did you get 20 years from at 50c.


lifeactual = lifebase × temperatureFactor × voltageFactor × currentFactor

lifeactual is the life expectancy at the operating temperature, voltage, and current.

lifebase is the life expectancy at the rated temperature, voltage, and current temperatureFactor : For both Al e-caps and film capacitors, a 10oC decrease in temperature results in a doubling of life expectancy. So the temperature factor is 2**(0.1*(Tm−Tc)) . Where Tm is the rated temp and Tc is the operating temp.

voltageFactor is the derating due to the operating voltage being lower than the maximum rated voltage. According to United Chemi-Con, voltage has far less of an effect than temperature on the lifespan of an Al e-cap (unless the voltage is exceeding the rated maximum)

currentFactor is the derating due to the operating current being lower than the maximum rated current. Current has a more significant effect on Al e-caps than film capacitors because of their higher equivalent series resistance (ESR). The power loss due to the ESR will be equal to I2capRESR and all of this power loss leads to self heating which will affect lifespan.
 
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show me this info

For classic electrolytic the rule of thumb is that their lifespan doubles every 10c (assuming conditions are otherwise the same), for polymer you can use this calculator: http://www.mh-audio.nl/Calculators/CPL.html

The formula is included in this (they're a huge cap manufacturer, if you don't know): https://www.nichicon.co.jp/english/products/pdf/2012fpcap_catalog_05.pdf

Edit: I didn't see your edit, I don't know what type those caps are, but I expect those ASRock caps are rated to 105c, not 30c. Their lifetime at 50c would just be... silly, long enough the motherboard will be dead.
 
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Edit: I didn't see your edit, I don't know what type those caps are, but I expect those ASRock caps are rated to 105c, not 30c. Their lifetime at 50c would just be... silly, long enough the motherboard will be dead.

at 55c its 3.7 years not 20
 
at 55c its 3.7 years not 20

It isn't, but the ASRock capacitors are abnormal, so I haven't used them in my spreadsheet anyway.

I assume a capacitor rated for 2000 hours at 105c, which is pretty typical for motherboards.

I checked my calculations with Nichicon's formula and they appear to be correct, but sums aren't my strong point, so :p

 
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