i totally agree.
but as i said before every system is different and acts differently.
for me i can run Prime95 on blend for so many hours but IBT/LinX finded errors within the first 10-20min.
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but as i said before every system is different and acts differently.
for me i can run Prime95 on blend for so many hours but IBT/LinX finded errors within the first 10-20min.
I just crashed prime95 after 12 minutes @ 1.408V 4725MHz . Screw this I don't want to waste time testing testing testing when I can be using my computer for what it's meant to be used for. From past experience I reckon the chip will prime at 4.5GHz with 1.35-1.38ish but am too lazy to do pointless testing as I've said.
everyone knows pr0n is the best stress tester.
everyone knows pr0n is the best stress tester.
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I'm all for recycling older and still useful products but LGA775 has had a good run for the past three years and now we have to let it go as the AM2+/AM3 socket offers great performance with the scope for plenty of new and exciting chips in the future . . .
This is obviously beyond the scope of the thread for further discussion, I think you are the record holder on this forum for most chip swap-outs!
Crikey I never had you down as a quitter, Hmm in that case I will have to disregard any claims you make, I always thought you knew how to overclock properly? With the amount of time and effort you put into it I thought you would have been able to combine speed with mathmatical stability by now? . . oh well at least I understand why you never posted a stability screenshot!
Its not pointless though is it, your contributing to the community and confirming your skills by stability testing, afaik your PC is stable enough to surf the web and play solitaire . . . When you make statements on the interweb about stable uBer overclocks you should probably just be more verbous and state "Game-Stable" or similar as if you don't your misleading people . . .
My systems don't crash anymore or fail any diagnostic, the only thing I fear if hardware going faulty!
Haha I hope you get a blue-screen seconds before the next time you reach maximum excitement, that will teach you!
Is that confirm then lemzip? could you see it in the screeny?
I imagine the PhII X2 550 will be C3 also after they run out of the older silicon right?
I used to post up prime stable shots all the time, I can go dig up a few 4.5GHz 1.36V shots such....but now I just don't bother to take the time to extensively stress test...because like I said they are quite meaningless.
I don't have anything to prove. I never claimed for my current clock to be prime stable and whenever someone asks me if it's stable I will either say "game stable"...or prime stable if that's the case.
As I've said, my definition of stability is if you never encounter any crashes using the software that you use. The only thing 12 hour priming does is show that the computer is able to stably run prime, but it could crash out in 30 seconds merely playing CoD4 (instances such as these have happened to me several times). In fact I find 1 hour of CoD4 or Left4Dead to be far more effective for me in determining stability than running prime.
Even unwinder specifically says he doesn't bother putting graphics card stability tests in rivatuner and MSI afterburner because the only thing it would prove is that the graphics card could run that specific test for such and such a time.
can do better mate, here is the full thread inc pics and youtube vids
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237066
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237066
haha cod 4 is my benchmark aswell can bench my p955 at lot higher than it is now run the norm bennchies passes . go play cod 4 crash after about a hr at highest settings.
so she sits at game stable settings 24/7 instead of prime and other settings.
if i wasnt a gamer i could claim a lot higher clocks and prove stable
anywhos these chips sound like good little bargins good news
can bench my p955 at lot higher than it is now run the norm bennchies passes . go play cod 4 crash after about a hr at highest settings.so she sits at game stable settings 24/7 instead of prime and other settings.
if i wasnt a gamer i could claim a lot higher clocks and prove stable
anywhos these chips sound like good little bargins good news
I've got some insights here gurusan you may *or* may not find useful. I believe that is a system runs Prime95 Blend for 8/12/24 hours etc but bombs in a game the problem is due to the PCI-Express interface where it connects to the Northbridge and *can* be solved by some patient GTL Tweaking.
I've totally encountered the situation your describing where a system is 24 hours Prime stable but will *FREEZE* in Crysis or while benching 3DMark, very very frustrating and I totally understand why some people get knarked at prime.
I came across this scenario just a year ago when taking my 4.25GHz prime/game/everything stable overclock across from 32-bit Windows XP to 64-bit Windows 7 Beta, as soon as I hit the W7 desktop I got an error message stating it couldn't find a graphics adapter?
. . . I had used the system overclocked system for weeks without any issue at all in WinXP 32-bit so I was like "WTF?"I am a backup junkie so I acronised back from Win-7 64-bit to WinXP 32-bi and the system was totally flawless once more, acronised back to Win-7 64-bit and the GPU was fubared. . . looking in device manager there was a yellow exclamation mark on one of the system devices to do with PCI-E. Of course I also reset the hardware back to stock and when landing back into Win7 64-bit desktop the Found New Hardware thing kicked in an installed the graphics adapter perfectly!
This was the first time I became aware of what may be causing the "Prime Stable but Game crash" scenario. If you can get Prime Blend stable your seriously 95% of the way to total stability, the crashing 3D problem is IMHO down to the PCI-Express device not being tweaked properly to inerface with the overclocked northbridge . . .
I agree that gaming stability is relevant and helpful, although the reason it will play games fine but bomb Prime is simply the particular game you are using is a much lighter load than the diagnostics like Prime/IBT/LinX etc. The problem will come for you when you load a newer game which taxes the hardware more and you will bluescreen freeeze etc . .
I know I probably sound like a grump sometimes banging on about stability testing but I possess no skill that you guys do not, the only difference is I am probably more patient than most and I'm determined that any information I give to others will fit all sizes instead of ignoring/neglecting some of the community . . .
If I can dig some old screenshots of that PCI-Express problem I will mail them to you in the hope it may help you nail that last elusive piece of the puzzle into place.
Out of all the LGA775 overclockers on this forum I look up to you the most gurusan, I will be seriously disappointed if I think all the ridiculously high clocks you spoke about in the past were not completely stable! . . .don't make me sad!
Goodness gracious now we have gone completely off topic!
I'm no newbie to GTL tweaking.....I used to have patience like you but now I just don't. I can't be arsed to sit around priming all day for no apparent reason other than to "prove" to people on a forum that my system is what THEY define as stable...and in the night time I hate waking up to the sound of my computer resetting or something from having crashed out during prime. I have to reset all my downloads and such and it's just a pain.
Also I have never claimed a "stable" clock without being able to provide a prime95 screenshot, I'm pretty sure you've seen some, if not it shouldn't be hard to dig some out.
here's one from last march http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7318/4500test.png
I also have to correct you when you say that if you can prime then your machine is 95% on its way to stability. As I've said before, priming will only tell you the machine can run prime.
As a studying engineer I use a ton of other applications such as star CCM+ which is a CFD program, this is more stressful than prime yet I can leave it simulating a model all night yet it will never crash, but fire up prime and it crashes out in a few hours. Same with cosmosworks and such....I leave my system on for weeks at a time without lockups doing everything from simulations to gaming and no crashes....this I call stable.
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This is only AMD. And I don't remember it being the case with the older 939 chips.
**edit** I also understand that everyone has their own little methods of overclocking they've developed over the years.
Also I have never claimed a "stable" clock without being able to provide a prime95 screenshot, I'm pretty sure you've seen some, if not it shouldn't be hard to dig some out.
here's one from last march http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7318/4500test.png
I also have to correct you when you say that if you can prime then your machine is 95% on its way to stability. As I've said before, priming will only tell you the machine can run prime.
As a studying engineer I use a ton of other applications such as star CCM+ which is a CFD program, this is more stressful than prime yet I can leave it simulating a model all night yet it will never crash, but fire up prime and it crashes out in a few hours. Same with cosmosworks and such....I leave my system on for weeks at a time without lockups doing everything from simulations to gaming and no crashes....this I call stable.
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This is only AMD. And I don't remember it being the case with the older 939 chips.
**edit** I also understand that everyone has their own little methods of overclocking they've developed over the years.
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iv just got a athlon II x4 620 2.6ghz, thought it would be an ok upgrade to the old e8200. its not... crysis iv lost nearly half my fps with crossfire 5770's, Iv spent a week digging around thinking there was a problem with crossfire on the new board, benching and testing everything, turns out the athlon quads are awful for gaming, even overclocked. some websites show that while it overclocks massively, this still makes no difference to the appalling gaming performance
mine went to 3.6ghz on stock volts, took 1.55 to get to 3.85 with orthos/linpack/occt stable for 30mins. after researching for days iv popped mine on an auction site, after a phenom BE now lol 
iv just got a athlon II x4 620 2.6ghz, thought it would be an ok upgrade to the old e8200. its not... crysis iv lost nearly half my fps with crossfire 5770's, Iv spent a week digging around thinking there was a problem with crossfire on the new board, benching and testing everything, turns out the athlon quads are awful for gaming, even overclocked. some websites show that while it overclocks massively, this still makes no difference to the appalling gaming performance
I would like to see the benches for the Athlon Quads because for the PII you see very little difference between i7/i5/775
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/10/26/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-cpu-review/6
have a quick check over there, great for everything except for gaming
have a quick check over there, great for everything except for gaming
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/10/26/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-cpu-review/6
have a quick check over there, great for everything except for gaming
Thanks.. interesting read
aye, I should have researched a little more before I bought it, scanning the usual review sites doesnt always show the whole picture I guess. good to be back with amd again tho lol
Well all know what we should do however i am also someone who just does it sometimes and only notices something after, especially after doing research on goods.
btw, i have dropped you a pm on that well know auction site
Not to mention S&M. Failure in seconds and 10°C hotter than prime for me if the setup's right.