AMD will never learn...

[snowdog]

No, they are not pin compatible at the CPU end afaik. Even if they are, you want a mobo with 8 dimms on it? that is ridiculous. The board would have to be very large or miss out on other features that you would expect from a high end board.

I cant see this board being unfeatured amd could have done the same thing...

Also why 8 slots, 4 are enough ,2xddr-1 and 2x ddr-2
btw, your 2nd quote isnt from me...

But that's no kind of upgrade!

Yes it can be, you upgrade for example from a mobo with sata to sata II, from agp to dual pci-e xfire, etc...
Also makes you able to keep your mainboard longer...
So you're saying going from an asrock dual sata xfire to p5wdh form asus isnt an upgrade,? On the asus my p4 would shoot up compared to on the asrock board, as some boards have crap features if it comes to volting... ( same for conroes too)

 

[snowdog]

delete pls, sorry, i dont know why trple post happened.

 

[snowdog]

what the ....? triple post?

 

[Kamakazie!]

I cant see this board being unfeatured amd could have done the same thing...

Also why 8 slots, 4 are enough ,2xddr-1 and 2x ddr-2

4 + 2 isn't enough for a high end board i don't think. It is a decent solution, however, having the memory controller on the NB would surely make it much easier. As i said before, i am not sure it is even possible on the CPU due to the 2 memory formats not being pin compatible. Unless you have 2 memory controllers, which again, would require more pins and a socket upgrade none the less.
EDIT: The above may be in correct however, this is how i understand it. Anyone is welcome to correct me.

btw, your 2nd quote isnt from me...

yeah sorry, edited now.

 

[snowdog]

if am2,939 and 754 would be one socket: i'd think of this:

On a socket 754 core: mobo will only run on ddr in single channel
on a 939 core liek venice: only ddr works on either single or dual channel.
am2: ddr2 on...


Could be done, so you're forced to adjust your ram to your cpu..., but that way u would be abel to use any cpu on ** mobo, wouldve been bets if amd've done that i think...

 

[Gashman]

if am2,939 and 754 would be one socket: i'd think of this:

On a socket 754 core: mobo will only run on ddr in single channel
on a 939 core liek venice: only ddr works on either single or dual channel.
am2: ddr2 on...


Could be done, so you're forced to adjust your ram to your cpu..., but that way u would be abel to use any cpu on ** mobo, wouldve been bets if amd've done that i think...

the extra pins in socket 939 were to allow dual channel DDR support, and the extra pin in AM2 is to allow dual channel DDR2/3 support, so you see there not intentionally trying to hurt the customer, there just forced to refresh there sockets to enable new technology, its called progression, LGA775 won't be around forever either, just intel don't seem to ever do anything new, its always DDR2, 800/1066 FSB, same old crap

 

[NathanE]

The "same old crap" that is winning them all the benchmarks going though?

 

[Gashman]

indeed gotta hand it to intel though, they planned ahead, LGA775 is good solid socket, its just there gonna have to get rid of it sometime or another to support whatever new technologies arise

 

[barnettgs]

Buy socket 939 board instead of 754 for future-proofing

How I laughed!

 

[Roughneck]

if it wasnt for AMD then Intel would still be forcing us to buy P4's

 

[Kamakazie!]

LGA775 won't be around forever either, just intel don't seem to ever do anything new, its always DDR2, 800/1066 FSB, same old crap

Of course it won't. They could use socket 775 for years to come because if 775pins is enough for DDR2 then it is enough for DDR3. However, stuff like pci-x 2 or whatever may require more pins. Either way, you will still need a new motherboard for DDR3 support.

AMD could have done things better, by just going for 940 pins in the first place and not needing so many new sockets. Most people would still have to upgrade their mobo's though either way because a lot of things would not be doable with a simple bios update. 775 might have been around for a long time but a lot of people have still needed to change mobo's for the new chips.
Even though AMD could have done better, i don't think this is the case with this roadmap, that is what i am arguing. There is plent backwards compatibility with this one.