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AMD X2 4400 1MB l2cache x2 - resetting machine ???

Hogs

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Hi there,
I got my chip tuesday and had no probs installing it - nice heatsink & fan :) idle 40 deg C will run all day - untill I run WoW - system crashes to black screen reboot - anyone have any ideas what prob may be? have checked ram - 2 x 512 3200 - put em in single and ran up - motherboard is ecs KN1 Extreme - with latest bios upgrade X2 duel core compat. Am scratching my head now why it crashes - Bios pages under CPU temp = 40 deg C so not chip overheating.
 
Hmm WOW if it's like EQ etc will patch as a requirement to play anyway.

Try the following:
1. install the exe version of the X2 driver from AMD (it has a flag it sets that helps some games)
2. Run two copies of Prime95 on torture so that you max out the temp and the power consumption - check the loaded temp and the loaded voltages. Some motherboards "undervolt" which means that they report the correct voltage but output slighlt less.. this could be causing a problem.
3. What PSU are you running and what are the specs of the system (ie ram, graphics card etc).
 
2 x 512 mb ram - winbond chips, geforce 7800gtx 256 meg vid, power supply 480 watt I think - with 2 rails for SLI - not using both cards yet till stable.
I can play Battlefield 2 online for a few hours and no bad effects - maybe it is a Direct X issue - but have trolled microsoft for any FAQ's no info atm :(

by the way - what programme will let me check heat in windows?

Thanks in advance.
 
You motherboard should have come with some software to do that.. I know the DFI does and many others do too. Just have a check of the accompanying CD or their website.

It should report status of heat and voltages. What we're looking for is either overheating (possibly the chipset rather than the CPU) or a voltage drop as the power supplies on the motherboard/main PSU can't cope with the increase in current draw.
 
NickK said:
1. install the exe version of the X2 driver from AMD (it has a flag it sets that helps some games)
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which driver are you refering to here? This one..


AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.2

or are you refering to the X2 performance "Hotfix" that has been mentioned here?
 
No - there is an X2 driver - AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.2
 
ok system is now settled prime95 x 2 running 28 hours - cpu temp 40 idle 48/49 full load with BF2 COD2 running together is that about right temps?

WoW still reboots machine but i think that is something to do with a corrupt file ?? - everything else works fine - had machine running for a couple of days now no probs.


Thanks for replies guys.

Hogs
 
Hogs said:
ok system is now settled prime95 x 2 running 28 hours - cpu temp 40 idle 48/49 full load with BF2 COD2 running together is that about right temps?

WoW still reboots machine but i think that is something to do with a corrupt file ?? - everything else works fine - had machine running for a couple of days now no probs.


Thanks for replies guys.

Hogs
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Does seem a little warm for idle.

I'd be tempted to delete the corrupted file and let WoW repatch the file on startup (you could do this with EQ so I'm assuming it's possible with WoW).
 
Hogs said:
WoW still reboots machine but i think that is something to do with a corrupt file ?? - everything else works fine - had machine running for a couple of days now no probs.


Thanks for replies guys.

Hogs
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My friend had this problem for months till recently he moved in my gaff temporarily. He stressed that he tried 'everything' until the next day I thought over it at work. I came home and asked if he'd connected the video cards molex as it requires more power.

Bingo, he has a stable WoW game now, god knows how the other games didnt crash (most worked fine) but maybe this was overlooked.
 
ok i found the driver.. Loaded and made no difference at all???

I'm actaully quite dissappointed with the X2.. i find that for general applications, it isn't any quicker than my XP2000 that i had four years ago or so.. I can see both cores being used but don't see the benefit.
 
I've got a X2 3800+ running @2.5 how its been fine for weeks just wondering how would I test both cores. I've ran super Pi and noticed it only ran at 1 core at max. Also is it worth my upgrade to the X2 4400+ which I can get for an extra £30 or is it not worth it as most 4400+ will only get around 2.6.
 
think you can run superpi twice and then set which core runs what.... sorry but for the life of me i cant remember how to force it to run on a certain core ;(
might give you something to google though :)
 
back to the OP's question..

Are you running everything at stock or overclocking anything? WoW is really sensitive to OC'd kit (at least my kit and install is). I'm not even on remotely the same kit as you but if you are clocking, it might be worth trying everything at stock first to take this out of the equation.

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The resetting machine thing is probably the motherboard self-starting on a windows crash, you can stop this by changing a BIOS setting, this will let you see where the crash is occurring (you will get a nice blue screen telling you some incomprehensible info, but also the file that caused the crash).
 
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What drivers are you using? One of my friends upgraded from an XP2800 to an X2 4400+ and he had the exact same symptoms as you describe before he updated his drivers. He's using a GeForce 6800Ultra
 
i get the same problems see this link and quoted here:

Hi all. I have a lil problem. I own a HIS x800 XT PE gfx card.

I play a lot of WoW and recently I have been getting a lot of BSOD's. Basically sometimes the graphics freeze and it unfreezes itself. the textures are all black and weird... all i have to do is minimise and maximise again and it works fine. (Sometimes the ATI catalyst thing says it has recovered from a VPU error) Other times i get a BSOD. The bsod error was to do with my graphics card and it said to turn off shadowing and something in the bios.

I couldnt find this so instead, I installed new gfx drivers. This did not solve it. I also defraged both drives using Diskeeper Pro. I also took out my gfx card and blew out the dust inside the cooler and noticed the heatsink on the ram wasnt quite touching it so i screwed that down better.

Someone mentioned it maybe the pagefile and virtual memory. So i read around on the internet and it was recommended to move the page file/virtual memory to a seperate HD to the OS. (this is so it can access both the pagefile and the OS at the same time)

Now i dont get the BSODs but instead it goes straight into a reboot. Could this be my gfx card failing? Any help is much appreciated.

Ernest

ps. I havent overcloaked the card. Its at standard XT PE speeds.
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my machine is an XP3500+, Abit 3rd eye, 1gig Ballistix, HIS X800 XT PE. Running Win XP Pro. SP2.

I have also disabled the VPU recover and i got 1 random reboot last night.

Ernest
 
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