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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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Journey said:
Same old arguments, going on, and on and Ariston.

Seems like they can sell every CPU they are making, wait till the price drops if you don't like it or buy Intel. ;)
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What we're seeing atm tho is far from normal.

Right now people seem to have stopped caring how much things cost. Heck you've got 3070s selling for £700 and 6800s for £900 and all sorts of madness :p

CPU side is a bit better, but prices right now are just completely detached from normality. I.e. not selling for "what they're worth" under ordinary circumstances.

I don't think they're "worth more" in a pandemic, but people seem to have simply stopped caring and just want new tech at almost any price.
 
Until Covid is over, spending on home entertainment will remain high. But, once we are all vaccinated, just watch. Only enthusiasts will upgrade again before 2023. The majority of us will be out in the pubs, restaurants, on holidays, in clubs,travelling etc. We will be taking a well-earned break from Covid prison.

Businesses who invested heavily in home-working tech this year won't need to refresh for a few years. New tech prices will drop significantly since there won't be a market for it.
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If what Gibbo says is correct then all 5900x backlog is now cleared (in fact was by end of Thursday 31st Dec) so they'll put the rest up for sale now (right?)
 
denigor777 said:
But, once we are all vaccinated, just watch. Only enthusiasts will upgrade again before 2023.
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Once on 5xxx, there's really not need to move that much further for a lot of people. Maybe from 5600x to higher core count if games will be problematic, double dipping, win for AMD :D /s

Consoles are Ryzen 2 (practically 3xxx series on PC), right? That means 5xxx already has close to 20% lead, so you could probably keep the CPU for the whole life of the console if 60fps is enough. On the GPU space with 6xxx and 3xxx could be the same.
 
Calin Banc said:
Once on 5xxx, there's really not need to move that much further for a lot of people. Maybe from 5600x to higher core count if games will be problematic, double dipping, win for AMD :D /s

Consoles are Ryzen 2 (practically 3xxx series on PC), right? That means 5xxx already has close to 20% lead, so you could probably keep the CPU for the whole life of the console if 60fps is enough. On the GPU space with 6xxx and 3xxx could be the same.
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I'm fully expecting a 5600X 3060Ti / 3070 to be fine for gaming for 4-5 years. At that point, either a new GPU or a 12-16 core CPU should keep you in the game for another couple years, depending on whether games become more CPU or GPU intensive.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
If you play at 1080p sure, 1440p no chance if you want reasonably high frame rates in more demanding games.
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Yeah for those of us chasing frames, once you get to 1440p or beyond, almost no amount of GPU power is enough.

The new consoles may call themselves "4K" gaming devices, but they're more 4k/30 than 4k/60 or beyond. I fully expect console devs to target 4K/30 with more eye-candy, rather than 4K/60+.
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
If you play at 1080p sure, 1440p no chance if you want reasonably high frame rates in more demanding games.
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Depends, 1440p can be doable with some settings drop and if players are content with 30-60fps. Not everyone wants high res/high fps gaming. Not at the prices they're selling now. :)

Consoles are, like FoxEye says, 4k wanabe machines, meaning they'll target that resolution, maybe drop under at times. They are also up to rtx2080 super (perhaps a bit higher) level of performance, so from rtx3070/ 6800 onward, the cards are faster. In this case, targeting 1440p, is lower resolution than consoles, meaning it should work just fine. That UE5 demo was running 1440p@30fps on a rtx2070 I think.

Anyway, maybe will not last the entire generation of consoles (more so if they get again a refresh later on), but around 4 years should be fine if you don't have very high expectations.
 
Calin Banc said:
Consoles are Ryzen 2 (practically 3xxx series on PC), right? That means 5xxx already has close to 20% lead, so you could probably keep the CPU for the whole life of the console if 60fps is enough. On the GPU space with 6xxx and 3xxx could be the same.
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20% IPC lead and 30% clock speed lead, but consoles target 30-60 while PC users now target 60-144.

It will be interesting when we see games making use of the zen 2 CPU in consoles.
 
denigor777 said:
Until Covid is over, spending on home entertainment will remain high. But, once we are all vaccinated, just watch. Only enthusiasts will upgrade again before 2023. The majority of us will be out in the pubs, restaurants, on holidays, in clubs,travelling etc.
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I think you are underestimating how many people spend most of their free time in their bedroom with their PC and not in pubs, clubs and restaurants. I know some people for whom the lockdown has basically been a slightly more inconvenient version of their business as usual and provided a good excuse to indulge in even more in their favourite PC and gaming hobby.

Pubs and clubs and restaurants are fun now and then, but in the long-run drinking excessively and staying up until the early hours each weekend is a mugs game.
 
Richdog said:
I think you are underestimating how many people spend most of their free time in their bedroom with their PC and not in pubs, clubs and restaurants. I know some people for whom the lockdown has basically been a slightly more inconvenient version of their business as usual and provided a good excuse to indulge in even more in their favourite PC and gaming hobby.

Pubs and clubs and restaurants are fun now and then, but in the long-run drinking excessively and staying up until the early hours each weekend is a mugs game.
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I agree. However, I don't equate pubs clubs and restaurants with drinking excessively. But maybe that's 'cos I'm 50 now :)
 
clv101 said:
I'm fully expecting a 5600X 3060Ti / 3070 to be fine for gaming for 4-5 years. At that point, either a new GPU or a 12-16 core CPU should keep you in the game for another couple years, depending on whether games become more CPU or GPU intensive.
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depends what games you play i suppose and what you think acceptable frame rate and resolution is ha ha

my computer is +10 years old and i play games every day!
 
Will be interesting to see if there are some price cuts at the lower end when rocket lake releases in a couple of months (given supply should also have been at least somewhat sorted by then), or whether AMD will go the intel route and not cut prices but release new SKUs in the form of 3600 and 3700/3800 non-X.

I can see them not caring at the 5900/5950X level given that it seems intel will be stuck at 8 cores but they will surely need to do something lower down unless intel really stuff up their pricing.

I'm also wondering when we'll hear more about Warhol, might not be that far away.... perhaps by summer if intel regain the ST crown in march?
 
Zeeflyboy said:
Will be interesting to see if there are some price cuts at the lower end when rocket lake releases in a couple of months (given supply should also have been at least somewhat sorted by then), or whether AMD will go the intel route and not cut prices but release new SKUs in the form of 3600 and 3700/3800 non-X.

I can see them not caring at the 5900/5950X level given that it seems intel will be stuck at 8 cores but they will surely need to do something lower down unless intel really stuff up their pricing.

I'm also wondering when we'll hear more about Warhol, might not be that far away.... perhaps by summer if intel regain the ST crown in march?
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It's almost inevitable that they will release a more value-oriented 6 and 8 core CPU.

Roadrunner_668 said:
i think most couyntries in this part of the world have a drinking subculture !
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Not like the UK, it's pretty 'special' by any standards.
 
Richdog said:
It's almost inevitable that they will release a more value-oriented 6 and 8 core CPU.
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Sure, but will they also drop the price of the 5600X is more interesting... it could render itself redundant at that price point before long with both their own non-X releases and Intel’s.

I was generally ok with the price increases at the higher end as they took leadership in all areas and you were still getting more performance for your money with the 5900X and 5950X with a relatively small proportional price increase. That “flat rate” price increase and lack of 5700X/5600 however led to anything 8 cores and below being very underwhelming IMO in terms of a price/perf generational uplift.

5600X is a fantastic chip, but I think that outside of these crazy times of low supply/high demand/shameless scalping it came in at least £30-40 too expensive... so when things normalise (whenever that’ll be!) perhaps it may be a case of both a 5600 and a small discount on the 5600X.
 
So it’s Windows only and only those who use pass mark and no ARM at all.

It’s obvious AMD is gaining the mindshare in the DIY desktop space but let’s not get too excited, it really isn’t representative of the actual market.

Also according to them, intel’s overall share actually went up over the last qtr. Arm isn’t on the list and Apple alone is like 12-14% of the PC market and their two best selling pcs are now ARM based.
 
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