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Rroff said:
If you have a very high end opteron or FX-62 (which incidentally cost well over twice the price of an E6600) then it may be closer to 15% with most of the consumer FX-62/60 models and the whole X2 range (which admittedly have come down a lot in price recently) its a good 25%.
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No, at the same clock speed it is about 15% across the board. Regardless of high or low end.



Rroff said:
must be more fools in this world than I imagined... in even a few months, let alone 6+ months time no one in their right mind is going to buy a CPU that is only moderatly faster than a current conroe and a lot more expensive...
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That is completely different to what you said before.
If it is only moderately faster but is a lot more expensive, then of course it will not seel well, except to those that MUST have the fastest.
Originally you said:

Rroff said:
2. The K8L is in trouble... if it beats the conroe by a small margin no one will care* - especially as it will likely be £400+ at launch... if it beats the conroe by a large margin, no one will care much unless its competitvely priced against the conroe... and I don't see that happening with a newly released CPU... and if it does beat the conroe by a large margin and is competitively priced no one is going to care* either because by then intel will have moved on to better CPUs and the conroe will look as quaint as the Pentium D...
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If it is much faster people will care. If it is much faster it WILL be competitively priced.
There are no major revisions scheduled for Conroe until the end of 2007, even then so far all we know is that it will be a die shrink to 45nm but will probably come with small revisions. That puts K8L with a good 6 months headstart on anything Intel can fight back with.

If it is faster, people will care, regardless of the price. For it to sell well however, it has to offer value for money. Tee faster it is, the more they can charge for the top clocked versions as always Charge less for lower clocked and therefore slower and you have it competitive with anything in the Intel range...
 
Kamakazie! said:
No, at the same clock speed it is about 15% across the board. Regardless of high or low end.
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not true...

this is only Sandra ALU but the same difference shows in 3D Marks CPU scores, video encoding, etc. etc.

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leave you to guess what the unknown athlon score CPU is but its not an Altair... which would score double that.

The red (top score) is an E6600 @ 3.0gig.
 
Unless K8L comes out pretty soon, it wont be competing with Conroe/Allendale. It will be competing with Penryn, with a larger cache, PNI (Penryn new instructions AKA SSE4), and for all we know a few more tweaks to the decoders etc.

Its also possible that Intel's Yorkfield, a native quad with a huge shared L3 cache, and 1333mhz FSB could also be released in Q3 2007.

It will be good if K8L does beat Conroe of course, as it could entice intel to give us CSI, and either an integrated memory controller, or even a fully integrated northbridge. There is a lot that intel can do to boost performance of NGMA without the need for a major redesign. Plus the 45nm shrink should give intel a power saving big enough to ramp up the clock speed considerably without the need for breaking 75w or so. (on dual core)
 
I like hearing rubbish about how nobody would buy it should there only be a mild performance increase... Going by these forums that would last all of 10 minutes.
Sell old kit, buy new kit... That seems to be the norm.

Edit: And I'll guess that the unknown AMD Cpu is a Brisbane, can't think what else it would be.
 
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Rroff said:
not true...

this is only Sandra ALU but the same difference shows in 3D Marks CPU scores, video encoding, etc. etc.

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leave you to guess what the unknown athlon score CPU is but its not an Altair... which would score double that.

The red (top score) is an E6600 @ 3.0gig.
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By my calculations, at 3ghz (if it scaled roughly linearly) then the FX would be 78% of the conroe so 22% but it is only 1 test....

that means in the only test you picked it wasn't even the "good 25%" that you stated. I said across the board anyhow, so, 1 test proves nothing.
 
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:rolleyes:

FX62 is ~22% in synthetic tests and the X2 a good 25% slower clock for clock thats good enough... in real world apps sometimes they are close but mostly that gap remains and in some cases the conroe is significantly faster by much more than 25%.

I'm not tryin to prove anything with this thread... bench those CPUs side by side or spend a while looking on google and you will find the results support my argument... I only posted that picture because it gives a very good overall indication on how they stack up performance wise and a look at whats to come. The unknown CPU is supposedly the performance figures from a demo of the Antares but I can't confirm that.
 
To be quite blunt about it all, the more aggressive the competition is, the better the price cuts, which is really what we as comsumers want! ;)
 
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