Android or Apple?
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FWIW, Asda Mobile piggyback's Vodaphones network, but it's a lot cheaper if you're going PAYG... 4p per text, and data is pretty reasonable also.
A 2nd hand 3GS would be a good option also, as it's not much slower than the 4...
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Yep the 4 is better all round really, if you've got the extra cash then go for the 4... but I'd rather have a iP3GS and iPad 2 as opposed to a iP4 and no iPad...
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Wait for the Playbook, looks like its better than the iPad to me
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But will have no apps or outside support, making it less than useless.
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Erm no, it will have lots of apps. I wish people would stop saying that! Also how many apps on the appstore are actually of any use whatsoever? 10%? A lot of crap on there tbh. RIM has tremendous support for the Playbook so I'm very confident that there will be more than enough apps for it
Most companies have not even built android apps. Blackberry apps will be much lower down the list.
It doesn't matter about sheer number or %, if they don;t have the apps you use, it makes teh device useless. blackberry will have extremly limited apps, due to sheer market size. no company is going to spend money making them.
Blackberry is currently the most profitable platform to write apps for. There's no reason to assume that there won't be a good range of apps available for the Playbook after 3-6 months.
That's not what the chart shows and they haven't, companies have had a good year+ to develop for blackberry and android and they haven't.
Android they almost certainly will do. That chart clearly shows apple as leading by almost 11 times.
You're looking at the wrong chart. The second chart shows that Blackberry has the highest average revenue per application.
Revenue per app:
Android: $1,200
Apple: $6,480
Nokia: $6,562
Blackberry: $9,166
It shows that there's plenty of Blackberry users willing to spend money on applications. If I wrote 3rd party apps for a living, I know which platform I'd be developing for. You'll see plenty of applications for the Playbook.
Just no. It doesn;t show profit at all, your total sense of economics and profits is just not right.
Lets see would you take
a slice of a $1782 million pie
or
a slice of £165 million pie.
All that second chart means is there is not many free apps and on the other hand android has 100s of thousands of rubbishy free apps.
Why have companies not devloped blackberry apps? why are they suddenly going to develop them over the next 3-6 months. Blackberry has been established for ages and it's still failed and it's business focused hence price. Android on the other hand is very new and really only took off in 2010 and is expected to explode in 2011 and thus I have no doubt android will get there eventually it's just a matter of when. Where as apple has the market and as such companys devlop for apple first and foremost before even thinking else where.
Blackberry are doing well to hold on, but ultimately their products are doomed to a niche market.
Lets see would you take
a slice of a $1782 million pie
or
a slice of £165 million pie.
All that second chart means is there is not many free apps and on the other hand android has 100s of thousands of rubbishy free apps.
Why have companies not devloped blackberry apps? why are they suddenly going to develop them over the next 3-6 months. Blackberry has been established for ages and it's still failed and it's business focused hence price. Android on the other hand is very new and really only took off in 2010 and is expected to explode in 2011 and thus I have no doubt android will get there eventually it's just a matter of when. Where as apple has the market and as such companys devlop for apple first and foremost before even thinking else where.
Blackberry are doing well to hold on, but ultimately their products are doomed to a niche market.
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I'd rather take a 25% slice of a $165 million pie than a 0.1% slice of $1782 million pie. Wouldn't you?
As a developer, I don't care how big the market is. What matters to me is my return on investment. How much money can I make for each hour of development I put in? Blackberry is currently winning in that regard.
Plenty of companies do make applications for Blackberry. And that's despite of how hard it is to write quality apps for the platform. QNX should deliver a set of modern, powerful APIs that will only make the platform more attractive to developers.
Why do you assume that it's a zero-sum game? If anything, the better tablets sell in general, the better that the Playbook will do. Apple's App Store is saturated now. It's very hard to make money from it. All of those trendy app dev start-ups with expensive Soho offices are looking for the next platform to exploit now. For many, that could well be BB/QNX.
I'm not saying that the Playbook will come close to outselling the iPad/Honeycomb. However, it will have a decent selection of applications in 6 months.
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You know after sitting back for a little bit and letting the hype simmer - it strikes me that much like the G1 and the first incarnation of Android, Honeycomb is going to be initially a slow burner. It's going to be interesting to see if Apple and mr Jobs will sit on their laurals like they did with the iPhone and let Google overtake them for a second/3rd time (if you include Chrome in the equation).
The annoying thing is that I want a tablet now and I don't want an Apple - doesn't leave many options really.
The annoying thing is that I want a tablet now and I don't want an Apple - doesn't leave many options really.
That isn't what's happening though.
You are making say 0.8p but selling 11 units. compared to making 1p and selling 1 unit. which makes more money.
and thats ignoring things liek free apps and different markets. Blackberry is almost entirely business.
Plenty do, but it's still a tiny percentage compared to companies that make for android.
that's only for insignificant independents, not big companies. which is what you need.
You aren't going to get apps for big companies other than through that company. Biggest examples of these are thngs like banks and things iplayer like apps of the top of my head, but there is literally thousands. Another one I want to use is Digiguide. No one else can make an app for that, It has to be done with the company.
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I think you're misreading the table. The figures stated in the table aren't per unit, they're per application. I'd rather make $9000 per application I write than $6000.
The average application on Blackberry World makes more money for its developer than the average application on the Apple App Store or Android Marketplace. It's as simple as that.
I'm not reading it wrong, I'm saying that figure is pointless. Why make 9k per unit when you can make $6k but sale 11 times the volume. If you are saying you would take the $9k route you fail in simple business and profits.
No it doesn't it makes more money per sale, not more money.
A ferrari makes more money per unit, but is totally eclipsed by profits of say Hionda. The price per unit is pretty irrelevant. It's the total profit. Again it is also totally forgetting to take into account free apps.
I think you are reading it wrong, the table states that the revenue per published application is higher on BB, that's taking volume into account.
Saying that I don't agree with him, BB is a shrinking market, and I don't see the playbook changing that...
I pretty much feel them same. I dont have anything against Apple nor am I an Android fanboy but I just cant get over the lots of square icons all over the place. I have an iPod Touch and its great as an MP3 player but I dont want a large screen with crap all over it, and I dont want to have to get a load of apps to view web pages when it should do it all as any decent fully featured browser should do.
Unfortunately all the Android tablets look quite poor against the iPad2 in one way or another.
But doesn't take into account free apps, demography (blackburry is primarily business orientated so price of apps does not matter, try pushing that into the larger market and it wont stand), break down for the top selling apps or anything else. It is a silly chart made by Blackberry. Apple apps make more money end of by some 11 times and therefore with such an eclipse in user numbers, you have a much bigger chance of selling your app to a wider audience.
A lot of apps aren't just profit anyway. look at a lot of the popular apps they are free, they will be developed for the biggest market and most popular market share first.
You only have to look at sat nav as an example, Many are cross platform apple/android/w7 but no blackberry version.
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