Another "deeply disturbed" column from the Murdoch stable.

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One of the best solution to youthful over exuberance about an issue like the enviroment is to make them

How can you type as you do and not expect people to think + BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT +

You seem well educated, you prepare your research, structure your reply but then we face an avalanche of ... word salad.

This might not be useful and isn't an attack so do with it what you will :thumbs up:
 
How can you type as you do and not expect people to think + BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT +

You seem well educated, you prepare your research, structure your reply but then we face an avalanche of ... word salad.

This might not be useful and isn't an attack so do with it what you will :thumbs up:

I take personal comparisons to robots as at least partial compliments and so I don't worry to much about considering them 'attacks'

For example do you think the issue of climate change requires a more emotional response or a more measured, methodical response, as might be expected from an agent acting under more 'robotic' conditions?
 
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As opposed to Greta who demands a 'radical response' to climate change

We do need a radical response to climate change. Climate scientists have been saying this for decades. Hell, even David Attenborough has said it.

If only we had examples of previous attempts to radically change the whole political system to the sort of centrally planned command economy that Greta alludes to....

Straw man.
 
We do need a radical response to climate change. Climate scientists have been saying this for decades. Hell, even David Attenborough has said it.

if your 'radical response' is to think that you need to change politics to a form that doesn't exist today then you are a crazy zealot.


Straw man.

No really we have seen what happens when people imagine they can radically change politics to a form not previously in existence or one previously tried with repeated failures.

Serious soloutions require working within current democratic market economies. Not surrendering liberty and likey the aims themselves to the guaranteed failure of a command economy


People forget that if Marx existed today he would likely be pushing his particular type of envisioned command economy as the saviour of the environment. In Marx's time there wasn't so much of a globalised view of human caused environmental destruction/ degradation. But he was very concerned by what he saw and incorrectly thought the result of capitalism and implicitly suggests his system was the solution.

all progress in capitalistic agriculture is a progress in the art, not only of robbing the labourer, but of robbing the soil; all progress in increasing the fertility of the soil for a given time, is a progress towards ruining the lasting sources of that fertility.

– Karl Marx, Capital vol 1

Of course we all should known how his ideas in put into practice affected the environment...…. and here for example
 
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I notice you haven't once asked what someone else's solution may be, just made an assumption it's something you don't like and that it will never work, whatever 'it' is in your mind.
 
My opposition to Greta's 'solution' (which isn't unique to her by a long shot and she wasn't the first to propose it) is that it's been tried and failed.... Repeatedly

Human impact on the planet is an issue. But the solutions proposed are often bad ones.
Yes, best to just ignore the impending disaster and criticise those who do care.
 
Yes, best to just ignore the impending disaster and criticise those who do care.

Ill refer you back to me previous analogy....

a brain tumour might be an impending disaster for the person concerned but this doesn't mean that cutting of that person head would be a good 'cure' and it doesn't mean the person suggesting it, when others don't know what to do exactly, 'cares'.

Its not 'caring' to think that the solution to environmental issues is to radically change the democratic / market based system we have in the west to a radically new one that doesn't currently exist (but in reality is rather similar to previous attempts at authoritarian command systems).

That's delusional mania masquerading as taking meaningful action
 
Ill refer you back to me previous analogy....

a brain tumour might be an impending disaster for the person concerned but this doesn't mean that cutting of that person head would be a good 'cure' and it doesn't mean the person suggesting it, when others don't know what to do exactly, 'cares'.

Its not 'caring' to think that the solution to environmental issues is to radically change the democratic / market based system we have in the west to a radically new one that doesn't currently exist (but in reality is rather similar to previous attempts at authoritarian command systems).

That's delusional mania masquerading as taking meaningful action

Still assuming that the solution you don't like is the only solution.
 
I never said anything about ignoring it and provided some suggestions for practical activities that could be undertaken to look to assist with the issue.
Remind me . . . . . I get the distinct impression that your standpoint is that young people (who are most likely to be adversely affected by it) have no right to express a point of view on climate change - FULL STOP.
 
Remind me . . . . . I get the distinct impression that your standpoint is that young people (who are most likely to be adversely affected by it) have no right to express a point of view on climate change - FULL STOP.

My standpoint is that adults shouldn't push children into the limelight as spokespersons to promote political positions or arguments.

Regardless of the argument or position and its merits or lack thereof.

Children can have their views and adults including politicians can speak to children about thoose views and consider them. This doesn't need the children concerned to be pushed towards being public figures in their own rights.

We often protected children from media exposure that may have an adverse affect on them (like restricting reporting on court cases involving children). I'm suggestion this should also be the case here.
 
My standpoint is that adults shouldn't push children into the limelight . . .
So to summarise, your standpoint in relation to climate change is that "adults shouldn't push children into the limelight" . . . in the interests of "protecting them" :confused:

Teenagers really shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about their future.

How very thoughtful of you :rolleyes:
 
So to summarise, your standpoint in relation to climate change is that "adults shouldn't push children into the limelight" . . . in the interests of "protecting them" :confused:

Teenagers really shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about their future.

How very thoughtful of you :rolleyes:

Greta has been in the limelight since before she was a teenager.

You appear to be being deliberately obtuse now. My standpoint is that children should not be used by adults to be spokespersons for any political cause because children are less able, on average, to deal with the pressure and scrutiny that goes with such activity and as is the case with Greta it prevents them from completing a normal education.
 
Greta has been in the limelight since before she was a teenager.

You appear to be being deliberately obtuse now. My standpoint is that children should not be used by adults to be spokespersons for any political cause because children are less able, on average, to deal with the pressure and scrutiny that goes with such activity and as is the case with Greta it prevents them from completing a normal education.


Indeed, and the MSN are just as guilty as anyone else of glorifying Greta as much as the politicians who want to look hip by standing next to her, she's just an underaged brainwashed puppet of her mental parents and needs social services to step in.
 
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http://environmentalhistory.org/20th-century/sixties-1960-1969/
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I think I am doing more for climate change than most. I wind people up using racist, xenophobic and anti XYZ banter, in the attempt to start a world war, thus hopefully reducing the over population and consumerism that's the main causes of their gripes. History will thank those like me ;) Kick the backsides of these kids, get `em back behind their desks and fine the parents and teachers that encouraged this nonsense :)

I'll wager every one of them has Chinese or Japanese gizmos they'd scream blue murder if taken from them, whilst staunchly and hypocritically lambasting the country of origins of them.
 
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