Another line stats thread...

Soldato
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Hi,
A OpenReach engineer JUST connected my line up, and despite cracking line stats, i awful speeds already...
4Mb down 600k up.
11.0 & 7.1 Attenuation
15.8 & 20.4 Noise.

Any ideas?
I thought the lines usually 'train down'?
 
Can you post a cut 'n' paste the ADSL stats?

The figures you give can be taken in many context's, it'd help if the actual stats where given verbatim, e.g. an SNR Margin means a lot more then SNR when it comes to 'Noise', and is the 4M 'speed' your download speed, or the ADSL Sync rate?
 
ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 4095 kbps 605 kbps
Line Attenuation 11.0db 7.1db
Noise Margin 15.9db 20.4db

Thats all it gives me.

##EDIT##
Telnet'd into my router:
Code:
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason:	1
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 605 Kbps, Downstream rate = 4092 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode:			ADSL2+
Channel:		Fast
Trellis:		U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:		No Defect
Training Status:	Showtime
		Down		Up
SNR (dB):	15.3		21.2
Attn(dB):	11.5		1.7
Pwr(dBm):	-4.9		-3.6
Max(Kbps):	15884		945
Rate (Kbps):	4092		605
			G.dmt framing
K:		21(0)		9
R:		16		16
S:		1		16
D:		128		8
			ADSL2 framing
MSGc:		60		14
B:		20		8
M:		1		16
T:		6		7
R:		16		16
S:		0.1629		7.4853
L:		1817		171
D:		384		8
			Counters
SF:		87999		88693
SFErr:		0		0
RS:		34847820		757794
RSCorr:		73		0
RSUnCorr:	0		0

HEC:		0		37
OCD:		0		0
LCD:		0		0
Total Cells:	13699982		4024398
Data Cells:	5424106		549464
Drop Cells:	0
Bit Errors:	0		1721

ES:		1		4
SES:		1		4
UAS:		692		3782669
AS:		1420

INP:		13.52		2.99
PER:		16.12		16.37
delay:		15.63		14.97
OR:		32.73		9.77

Bitswap:	0		332

Total time = 50 min 16 sec
SF  = 98570
CRC = 489
LOS = 1
LOF = 9
ES  = 1
Latest 1 day time = 50 min 16 sec
SF  = 98570
CRC = 489
LOS = 1
LOF = 9
ES  = 1
Latest 15 minutes time = 5 min 16 sec
SF  = 19590
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 55786
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
SF  = 0
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-30 min to -15 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 12623
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-45 min to -30 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 10571
CRC = 489
LOS = 1
LOF = 9
ES  = 1
Showtime Drop Reason:	1
Last Retrain Reason:	1
 
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To be honest I'd expect a higher SNR than that with a 11.5 Attenuated line. The figures you have at the moment should vary over the next few days as DLM kicks in.

You might want to check your wiring and connect directly to the master socket to eliminate noise.

Just as an example my line is 10db attenuated (so just a little bit shorter) and I got 31 SNR at 4091 connection speed.
 
Much credability in this:
http://www.skyuser.co.uk/forum/tech...-help-slower-speeds-llu-than-bt-adsl-max.html
Apparently sky lock it at 4Meg to start with?

Yes, for the first 72hrs.

After that DLM will kick in and your speed will adjust every morning at 2am.


To be honest I'd expect a higher SNR than that with a 11.5 Attenuated line. The figures you have at the moment should vary over the next few days as DLM kicks in.

You might want to check your wiring and connect directly to the master socket to eliminate noise.

Just as an example my line is 10db attenuated (so just a little bit shorter) and I got 31 SNR at 4091 connection speed.

With an attenuation of 10dB, you should get the full 20Mb. Actually 24Mb.

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/max_speed_calc.php

The target for Sky LLU is 7dB for Noise margin, so anything higher is causing your line to be artificially slower. Presuming you are with Sky give them a call and they'll whack you up to your maximum.
 
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You might want to check your wiring and connect directly to the master socket to eliminate noise.
Brand new flat. One socket, one thing on the socket, a microfilter, and on that, my router. lol.
Cant get cleaner than that! :p

Yes, for the first 72hrs.
After that DLM will kick in and your speed will adjust every morning at 2am.

With an attenuation of 10dB, you should get the full 20Mb. Actually 24Mb.
20Mb even with the noise that high?

The target for Sky LLU is 7dB for Noise margin, so anything higher is causing your line to be artificially slower. Presuming you are with Sky give them a call and they'll whack you up to your maximum.
Is there much point in calling them? Shall i just leave it be for the next 3 days and see what speed i have then? Because if im getting 15Mb+...?
Or shall i phone them now? Get it out the way?
 
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Is there much point in calling them? Shall i just leave it be for the next 3 days and see what speed i have then? Because if im getting 15Mb+...?
Or shall i phone them now? Get it out the way?
I'd leave it, Give it a few days, just to let any training or other mechanisms time to be ruled out..

Then take it from there..

My brother when he first went to O2 was right on the exchange, they limited his connection in the exchange somehow to 16Mbps, his line attenuation was so low this still ended up with over 10dB of SNR Margin.. after a week he phoned them, and they did something, rebooted his router, and it connected at the full 24Mbps with 8.2db SNR..
 
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20Mb even with the noise that high?

Higher noise margin is better! Usually as the speed increases, the noise margin decreases until you hit 7dB. Any lower than 7 and you'll run in to stability issues, any higher and you're being "held back" so to speak.

If you're getting 15Mb with a high margin then it means you have scope to go faster.

If you have a dongle filter, chuck that and get a filtered faceplate from ADSL nation. It'll make the setup that much cleaner and pleasing to the eye.
 
Higher noise margin is better! Usually as the speed increases, the noise margin decreases until you hit 7dB. Any lower than 7 and you'll run in to stability issues, any higher and you're being "held back" so to speak.

If you're getting 15Mb with a high margin then it means you have scope to go faster.

If you have a dongle filter, chuck that and get a filtered faceplate from ADSL nation. It'll make the setup that much cleaner and pleasing to the eye.
Thats good then. :D
Wanted 10+ :p

Suppose i should wait then. :)
 
How does this speed it up? :confused:

It tricks the exchange into retesting the line more often than the once a day default. Turning the router off makes the exchange think "hang on a sec the connection drops need to retest the line"

However do not turn it off more than 3 times per day or it classes a fault on the line and restarts the whole retraining period.

So basically with a new line/broadband connection it tests it once every day upto 11 days until the speed and noise margin settle down to the most stable connection it can provide considering line length etc. Thats why you may get disconnects and drops in the first few days its the exchange testing the line.

(I used to work for a Business ISP)
 
Your power readings look crap, they should be around 19 and 12 respectively, not minus figures. Do you have a different modem you could try?
 
Your power readings look crap, they should be around 19 and 12 respectively, not minus figures. Do you have a different modem you could try?
Several, but is there any point considering how its still in the 'training' period?
Would be better to see what it normalises at surely?
 
For the sake of the 5 minutes or however long it takes to configure a new modem, I'd certainly give it a try, especially with the bizarre power readings you're displaying.
 
Well its one day past, 2am has gone...same speed. :(

For the sake of the 5 minutes or however long it takes to configure a new modem, I'd certainly give it a try, especially with the bizarre power readings you're displaying.
Surely with the rest of the stats being as they are, the bizzare power reading is likely to be a GUI error on my router?
 
Well its one day past, 2am has gone...same speed. :(


Surely with the rest of the stats being as they are, the bizzare power reading is likely to be a GUI error on my router?

It takes 3 days before the training begins to change your speed.
 
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