Another logic puzzle

Arcade Fire · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:14

badgermonkey said:
BEcause if you go first you know that you could win that way?

Your opponent isn't going to place pieces where you want him to, though, is he?

fatiain · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:14

Mat said:
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So you're saying you should go third?

Arcade Fire · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:14

fatiain said:
Sounds like a *great* game.

Is that your way of saying "I'm not clever enough to work out the answer"?

fatiain · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:15

Arcade Fire said:
Is that your way of saying "I'm not clever enough to work out the answer"?

Yes.

Mat · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:16

fatiain said:
So you're saying you should go third?

LOL

Actually thats me placing my tiny discs on the board... (theres three more)

badgermonkey · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:16

Couldn't you go second and punch the guy in the face when he tries to make his move?

semi-pro waster · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:31

badgermonkey said:
Couldn't you go second and punch the guy in the face when he tries to make his move?

Why not go first then and rip the other guys head off if he tried to make a move?

Equally what if you opt to go first and don't place a piece on the board? Then you are automatically the winner because the other person can't make a legal move. I'm aware there probably is a way to work this out properly but I'd do that just to be a tool about it.

badgermonkey · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:32

semi-pro waster said:
Why not go first then and rip the other guys head off if he tried to make a move?

Equally what if you opt to go first and don't place a piece on the board? Then you are automatically the winner because the other person can't make a legal move. I'm aware there probably is a way to work this out properly but I'd do that just to be a tool about it.

Thats a good idea actually.

(all of them, but the not making a move one most of all

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Arcade Fire · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:36

Okay, I'll spot you a hint. The correct answer is that you should choose to go first, and that you should make your first move in the centre of the board. How should you play from there, to guarantee your win?

semi-pro waster · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:42

Arcade Fire said:
Okay, I'll spot you a hint. The correct answer is that you should choose to go first, and that you should make your first move in the centre of the board. How should you play from there, to guarantee your win?

Then I'd guess place each one of your counters just inside the diameter of a counter in all directions, e.g. if the counter has a diameter of 5cm then you place it at 4.9cm and you will win due to some property of circles and area. I could potentially work it out but I've forgotten most of the maths that I ever knew

And I still would probably do my idea first anyway just because I'm like that.

Arcade Fire · 18 Oct 2006 at 11:57

semi-pro waster said:
Then I'd guess place each one of your counters just inside the diameter of a counter in all directions, e.g. if the counter has a diameter of 5cm then you place it at 4.9cm and you will win due to some property of circles and area. I could potentially work it out but I've forgotten most of the maths that I ever knew And I still would probably do my idea first anyway just because I'm like that.

Nope.

Bill Door · 18 Oct 2006 at 12:09

I opt to play first and place my counter in the centre, then place any subsequent counters symetrically opposite to those played by my opponent.

If there is space remaining for my opponent to place a counter then logically there must be a space remaining for me to play.

Arcade Fire · 18 Oct 2006 at 12:19

Bill Door said:
I opt to play first and place my counter in the centre, then place any subsequent counters symetrically opposite to those played by my opponent.

If there is space remaining for my opponent to place a counter then logically there must be a space remaining for me to play.

Bingo.

Amp34 · 18 Oct 2006 at 12:20

Bill Door said:
I opt to play first and place my counter in the centre, then place any subsequent counters symetrically opposite to those played by my opponent.

If there is space remaining for my opponent to place a counter then logically there must be a space remaining for me to play.

Clever, we may just have a winner!

Wish I had thought of that.

EDIT, slightly too slow.

manoz · 18 Oct 2006 at 12:26

Damnit, I was gona say go first cos you have more chance of winning just like in noughts and crosses. Couldn't think of where to put the first piece and why though.(That would need me to think more)

Arcade Fire · 18 Oct 2006 at 12:31

Noughts and crosses is interesting (ish). If both players play perfectly then it's impossible to win, whether you go first or second. There are a couple of ways to win if you go first and your opponent doesn't make the optimal second move. If you play in one of the corners then your opponent has to play in the centre. If he doesn't then you can beat him.