Another Scary moment at Spa - Sideways at 110mph through Blanchimont 2

arknor said:
im sensing the op doesnt understand the word "sideways"
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Actually I hate using the word 'sideways' and managed to avoid it in the video description etc. but it must have just slipped out on here.

The reason I don't like it is for exactly the same reason as the comments on this here.

Sideways can mean different things. Does it mean the car is SIDEWAYS to the direction the road points, so if you went into a corner, lifted off and the back came around until it's level with the front?

Or is it sideways to the direction of travel, in which case this means that the front wheels are sliding at the same rate as the rears. The car can be pointing IN the direction of travel with NO ANGLE but be said to be travelling .. SIDEWAYS ?

Take this diagram

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Which is more sideways A or B?

What about C or D?

The video that nicRob posted, impressive though it is in places is mostly oversteer at apex's caused by the driver adding power mid-corner .. why? mainly because he went in too slow.

I can assure you that 'kick out' oversteer at an apex where you have plenty of room to collect it and stay of track is very different than a 'speed/momentum induced' slide towards the exit of a corner where if you don't control it you're off the track ... and in this case at 110mph.

Think back to the opening sequence of Top Gear where you see a car which 'most viewers' would say was 'sideways' on the exit ... is it? it's pointing directly at the camera, so not SIDE WAYS but it is moving from left to right whilst maintaining the same angle so is travelling 'sideways'

LOL, thought i'd just explain that.

IN truth my desription is a bit dramatic and I had really forgotten about it, the driver reminded me and wanted to see it so I used it for one of my Driver Coaches diaries.

This is a big (although not very lengthy) sideways moment I had at Old Paddock at Combe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leiFMtkCSho&feature=player_detailpage#t=26s

And this is the same corner where the car (in my definition) doesn't get sideways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhCGjCl97o&feature=player_detailpage#t=55s

Maxx
 
sideways to me is when the car is travelling with its side facing the direction the car is actually moving in :P

what the op shows is what the back end stepping out slightly? its not even a power slide!
 
arknor said:
sideways to me is when the car is travelling with its side facing the direction the car is actually moving in :P

what the op shows is what the back end stepping out slightly? its not even a power slide!
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Sorry, I didn't mean to refer specifically to my video, as I said, the terms 'sideways' sorta slipped in. The video title '110mph oversteer moment' and the description don't mention it.

It was simply that it does frustrate me sometimes when you see a guy half way round a roundabout and he hits the gas, kicks the back end out and says 'hey, look at me going sideways' (or in FWD lift-off for the same effect).

Your definition is the actually the same as mine but most people equate it to 'angle of oversteer'.

I'll choose my words better next time :)

Maxx
 
arknor said:
im sensing the op doesnt understand the word "sideways"
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I can tell you for a fact he knows a hell of a lot more about driving a car on a race circuit than you my friend, be it sideways or not. I base this on the fact I know Maxx, have used his excellent training skills............and your posts in this thread.
 
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