Soldato
Why do you hate freedom?
Another shooting by US police
- Thread starter Stu999
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It is *entirely* possible - that a person on the other side of a front door (which are generally quite heavy and design to block noise from outside), in this own home, with other sources of noise (music/tv/etc) doesn't make out what the random person banging on his door in the middle of the night is yelling.
The most pertinent facts here are: A guy was hanging out in his own home, not doing anything illegal, not breaking any laws, not bothering anybody. The police turn up and shoot him dead.
Freedom is for wimps, especially American Freedom.
Caporegime
It was not the middle of the night and there is no noise blocking him from hearing the officer, as we can hear the audio when he opens the door from the body cam footage. The officer also shouts loudly who it is for a last time a second or so before the victim opens the door.
The door also doesn’t look very solid at all, it looks like a fairly cheap and basic one you see fitted on apartments/flats.
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You absolutely *cannot* tell from the video what was or wasn't audible on the *other side* of the door when the police officer was shouting, or how far from the door the victim was, or what other noise source were going on *whilst the police officer was shouting* - just because you cant hear it on the video. Noise doesn't have to be deafeningly load to muffle what someone outside your house is shouting.
None of which changes the pertinent facts of the case: Man was minding his own business in his own home, the police turned up and shot him dead.
Caporegime
You absolutely can tell from the video as he opens the door seconds after the officer shouts for the last time who it is. I don’t know why you are making up nonsense like it was the middle of the night either.
Those doors are not sound proof at all. We have a multiple inch thick, solid wooden door on our property that’s well sealed and it’s still easy to make out someone shouting from outside.
The pertinent fact is opening the door with a gun in your hand when you know the police in your country shoot first and ask questions later if you have a firearm in hand.
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How does the video, or how could it possibly show what was audible on the other side of the door, when it was very obviously filmed from the perspective of the police officer who was outside? Obviously it is clear on the video that the officer says because the microphone is right next to his mouth. You have absolutely no way of knowing what the victim did or didn't hear, you have absolutely no way of knowing what the victim "knew".
He was a man, holding a gun (down by his side) that he was legally entitled to own and legally entitled to hold, in his own home. And, again, he had committed no crime.
I accept I was wrong about the time of day - it changes nothing and isn't relevant.
Why are you bending over backwards to justify the police shooting some guy in his own home?
Caporegime
I’m not bending over backwards to justify it. The culture over there is shocking but we know the majority of police officers don’t hang about once they see someone holding a firearm.
He is right behind the door when the officer shouts for the last time as he opens it like a second or so later. There is no loud audio present that would muffle that last shout and nor is the door good enough to muffle it.
His arms just dangling down by his side and the guns pointing at the floor, he makes no attempt to raise that arm, his other hand with nothing in it is gesturing as he starts talking, but the other arm never moves anywhere. the cop shoots after about 1-2seconds.
No someone shouts "Sheriffs office" it doesn't mean it actually is.
The cop shots but the guy doesn't even try to raise the gun.....
poor training or should never have been allowed on the force, maybe if he waited for the other deputy first, then he wouldn't have panicked.
Wasn't there another fairly recent where a female police officer shoots into a house window point blank, reloads & empties another mag ? I think killing the person inside
I think she was investigating a burglary but the person had broke into their own apartment after being locked out.
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There's more to it than that, though; most other countries with routinely armed police don't see such regular disproportionate use of lethal force by police as the US does. To some extent that's a reflection of the level of threat they can potentially face, but the minimum amount of force possible should still be used.
To an extent yes, but the US-style mag-dumping is in complete contrast to other countries where police are trained to "shoot to stop" by firing once (or twice) then reassessing the threat. There will be exceptions to that of course e.g. immediate threat, terrorist incident etc but it ties back into my point above about using the minimum amount of force necessary.
Caporegime
You’d want to risk tasering someone holding a gun? What if you miss or it doesn’t disable him?
Tasers don’t always work.
Then you're poo outa luck.
He could also spaz out and fire the gun off in any direction if his finger is on the trigger.
Their military does the same thing. Sometimes in the wrong direction. There is a general lack of thinking before shooting.
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Just because someone claims to be the police doesn't mean they really are.
Caporegime
I think that’s the fourth time someone has replied with this now.
So we live in a society where you just don’t believe anyone and assume the worst? The situation is never going to improve then.
The percentage of people pretending to be police is minuscule in comparison to genuine call-outs.
Commissario
A "heated argument".
Also There is a claim that the Police went to the wrong house, which wouldn't be the first time that they've gone to the wrong address and killed entirely the wrong person.
There is at least one claim I've seen that he looked through a peephole on the day and didn't see anyone..
America, where you're expected to have a gun, and have "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine" but where the police can shoot you basically no comeback if they force entry to your house, or you answer your door with anything in your hand.
I'm wondering when it'll come out the dead guy had a speeding ticket.
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