Another Video editing build, but which CPU and Mobo (mATX)

Petrolhead · 30 Nov 2018 at 12:58

I have been asked to build a good spec PC for a friend of mine who is a photographer and videographer.

He used Premier Pro CC, After Effects and Photoshop

Spec so far:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Gigabyte Aorus GeForce GTX 1080TI 11264MB GDDR5X PCI-Express Graphics Card= £799.99
1 x Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Micro-ATX Glass Case - Black= £119.99
1 x Corsair RMx 750w 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (CP-9020179-UK)= £124.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 3000MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (CMK32GX4M4C30= £289.99
2 x Samsung 970 EVO Polaris 250GB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £74.99
1 x Samsung 2TB 860 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 64 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-76E2T0B/EU)= £299.99

Total: £1,798.13 (includes shipping: £13.20)

The two m.2 drives are for OS and scratch/Media disks and the SSD for the work

The budget is about £2.5K however just cant decide to go AMD or Intel.

Threadripper 1950x and mobo (God they are expensive) or Intel i9-9900k and mobo

Any suggestions re processor, mobo and cooling (I know someone here will say air cooling

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StarShock · 30 Nov 2018 at 13:39

Adobe loves Intel, or at least it loves high clocks and IPC more than it likes cores and threads. You can also offload some of the work onto intel IGPU. So while most of the time I would say AMD offers more for your money, in this case I would go with an Intel system. Though I'd be very tempted to look at either the i7 9700K or the i7 8700K over the i7 9900K as you'd get the same clocks and IPC for a bunch less money.

Petrolhead · 30 Nov 2018 at 14:14

Re the i7 9700 vs i7 8700 vs i9 9900.

Is it a case that when overclocked they perform the same because looking at stock the i9 9900 seem to score better

StarShock · 30 Nov 2018 at 14:21

ah yeah, sorry for not being clear, the 9900k is better than the others, but not a whole lot better for the extra £120 odd quid it costs

so like 10% more performance for 35% more cost

orbitalwalsh · 1 Dec 2018 at 08:01

There's a good difference with 8700k Vs 9900k in Prem and lightroom, after effects and Photoshop, it's come out on top only because of clock speed rather then core count

Davinci will make better use for gtx 1080ti for video editing . Worth him giving that a try and seeing

With Adobe products, 1080ti only fairs a little better then gtx 1070ti , Resolve would use the GPU power more then Adobe .

Petrolhead · 1 Dec 2018 at 12:55

So are you saying the 9900 is the preferred choice or the 8700

What about Threadripper

Edit: this is an interesting article https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...2018-Core-i7-9700K-i9-9900K-Performance-1254/

orbitalwalsh · 1 Dec 2018 at 14:06

cms239 said:
So are you saying the 9900 is the preferred choice or the 8700

What about Threadripper

16 core TR is technically the best you should get as 24+ have memory channel design issues .
But with Adobe , apart from exporting of batch exporting they are often worse due to slower clock speed and IPC

And apologies, typo my end, meant to say 8700 Vs 9700.
9900 will lead as has 5-10% edge over 9700 due to HT , 9700k has edge over 8700k.
Bit like running i7 4c/8t against i5 6c/6t at same speed , Six core would come equal or on top

Petrolhead · 1 Dec 2018 at 15:37

StarShock said:
ah yeah, sorry for not being clear, the 9900k is better than the others, but not a whole lot better for the extra £120 odd quid it costs so like 10% more performance for 35% more cost

Just checked overclockers web site. The difference in price is actually £70

StarShock · 1 Dec 2018 at 15:39

yeah, today

the 9900k is the deal of the day, £40 off. Seems a good price compared to what its been

Petrolhead · 1 Dec 2018 at 15:51

The one thing that concerns me about the i9-9900k is a lot of reports about high heat when overclocked, however I think this is when trying to get it to 5ghz

orbitalwalsh · 1 Dec 2018 at 16:50

cms239 said:
The one thing that concerns me is a lot of reports about high heat when overclocked, however I think this is when trying to get it to 5ghz

Good 360 AIO/CLC cooler like Silent Loop, Eisbear or NZXT 360 and should be good or flagship Air cooler.

8700k run hotter. The thing that hits hardest the most is VRMs, hence listing Gigabyte /Aorus for differing price points. Z390 almost been designed if they already knew 10 core might of been in the table ...

ExoMale · 1 Dec 2018 at 19:49

my sister in law does photography and editing, she uses some adobe software, but it requires only intel and she recently got an Acer S24-880 which is an AIO, thats no important, but this has a coffee lake i7+ 8550U which is perfect for what she does, so in your case, find out if the software uses only one brand of chip otherwise its an i7 vs a 2700/TR.

Petrolhead · 1 Dec 2018 at 20:15

Prempro can make use of both Intel and AMD

Quartz · 1 Dec 2018 at 20:17

Why are you speccing a high-end gaming GPU?

Petrolhead · 1 Dec 2018 at 21:23

[german accent on] I am asking zee questions!

I obviously want best bang for buck hence why I am asking

Petrolhead · 1 Dec 2018 at 21:28

Quartz said:
Why are you speccing a high-end gaming GPU?

[german accent on] I am asking zee questions!

No reason just it does perform better with prempro than an AMD offering

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-2018-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1206/

orbitalwalsh · 2 Dec 2018 at 08:58

Quartz said:
Why are you speccing a high-end gaming GPU?

Some video programs like Davinci resolve you have people loading dual,Triple 1080ti for final production.
Good programs like that will use every ounce of hardware power

Petrolhead · 2 Dec 2018 at 10:36

Can we keep this on track please ie CPUs

It seems that so far people have mentioned Intel and not AMD which is interesting

orbitalwalsh · 2 Dec 2018 at 11:53

cms239 said:
Can we keep this on track please ie CPUs

It seems that so far people have mentioned Intel and not AMD which is interesting

Because of Adobe pretty much

Petrolhead · 2 Dec 2018 at 15:32

Cinebench R15 Single Threaded
Score (Higher is Better)
amd 164
intel 216
Cinebench R15 Multi-Threaded
Score (Higher is Better)
amd 3017
intel 2032

Handbrake 1.1.0 - 1080p60 x264 3500 kbps Faster
Frames Per Second (Higher is Better)
amd 259
intel 229
Handbrake 1.1.0 - 1080p60 HEVC 3500 kbps Fast
Frames Per Second (Higher is Better)
amd 215
intel 226

This is interesting - Adobe Premiere Pro CC Multi Core Performance

Suggesting that once you get to 8 core its dimminishing returns.

Then there is cost, based on todays prices from Overclockers:

Intel: i9-9900k = £500, motherboard £160. Total=£660
AMD: TR 1950x = £560, motherboard £300. Total=£860 and from what I can see no mATX boards