I agree. You can't polish a turd I guess. I think the P180 is a good stock case for putting already quiet components into to improve a quiet pc setup. The plastic/alum panels, heavy build of the case to min. vibration, lack of open vents around the side and front, and ability to run the fans quietly along with the hard drive isolation can give very impressive results. Results that are achievable on other cases with some modding or buying extra components. But there are a fair few drawbacks with this case for sure. Right now I am using a PC7 as recommended on these forums (by yourself actually) and about the only thing that is not quiet about it is the hard drives. Easily fixable I guess. I would have gone for the Eclipse (again had one before) except I hate the front panel.