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Got a little bit of an issue with a few rads on the bottom floor and wondered if this pump (Wilo Gold RS50) is sized correctly. Brief discription of my property:

1) Its a 3 story vented system with a header tank in the loft
2) In total there are 16 radiators in the house
3) Its an standard S plan system
3) Its a 28mm main trunk from the boiler (1st floor) which goes up to the 3rd floor airing cupboard. In this cupboard is a Wilo Gold RS50 (Built in 2009, speed rating 3 uses 65w, i've for some reason seen RS50's with diffrent wattage). Eventually it goes down from 28mm to various 22mm to 10mm manifolds or 22mm to 10mm in line T's.

When we moved in in 2016 the manifolds for the supply side were replaced as some of them were blocked preventing some rads getting any water. I roughly balanced the rads via the lock valves so that all the rads came up to temp at the same rate. Below is what i set the lock valves to:

Code:
Floor       Manifold    Room                    Lock valve (open)
Top                     Master                  0.25   
Top                     Master ensuite          0.25   
Top                     Double bedroom          0.25   
Top                     Bathroom                0.25   
Top                     Rear Single room        0.25   
Top                     Front single room       0.25   
Top                     Hallway                 0.25   
Middle    3             Dining room             0.5   
Middle    3             Living room front       0.5   
Middle                  Living room rear        0.25   
Middle                  Kitchen                 0.5   
Middle                  Hallway                 0.25   
Middle                  Conservatory            Closed
Bottom    3             Hallway                 1   
Bottom    3             Rear room               Full   
Bottom    3             Shower room             0.5


I'm not a pump/flow expert but is that pump really up to the task of a system this big? Its not been much of an issue for us because we rarely use the 1st floor but my wife is on holiday this month with my kid and I decided to turn off various rads i know i won't be using via the trvs. (5 of the 7 upstairs ones are off, 3 of the 6 middle floors are off and 1 of the 3 bottom floors is off). The rads downstairs get noticeable a lot warmer and the temps are more plesant on that floor. Is it possible i need to re jiggle my balancing and start off on a 1/6th turn or even 1/8th? I was kind of leaning towards the conclusion that given these lock valve figures i shouldn't have to turn off half the rads for the last ones on the bottom to get warm and that it was a pump sizing issue?
 
Got a little bit of an issue with a few rads on the bottom floor and wondered if this pump (Wilo Gold RS50) is sized correctly. Brief discription of my property:

1) Its a 3 story vented system with a header tank in the loft
2) In total there are 16 radiators in the house
3) Its an standard S plan system
3) Its a 28mm main trunk from the boiler (1st floor) which goes up to the 3rd floor airing cupboard. In this cupboard is a Wilo Gold RS50 (Built in 2009, speed rating 3 uses 65w, i've for some reason seen RS50's with diffrent wattage). Eventually it goes down from 28mm to various 22mm to 10mm manifolds or 22mm to 10mm in line T's.

When we moved in in 2016 the manifolds for the supply side were replaced as some of them were blocked preventing some rads getting any water. I roughly balanced the rads via the lock valves so that all the rads came up to temp at the same rate. Below is what i set the lock valves to:

Code:
Floor       Manifold    Room                    Lock valve (open)
Top                     Master                  0.25  
Top                     Master ensuite          0.25  
Top                     Double bedroom          0.25  
Top                     Bathroom                0.25  
Top                     Rear Single room        0.25  
Top                     Front single room       0.25  
Top                     Hallway                 0.25  
Middle    3             Dining room             0.5  
Middle    3             Living room front       0.5  
Middle                  Living room rear        0.25  
Middle                  Kitchen                 0.5  
Middle                  Hallway                 0.25  
Middle                  Conservatory            Closed
Bottom    3             Hallway                 1  
Bottom    3             Rear room               Full  
Bottom    3             Shower room             0.5


I'm not a pump/flow expert but is that pump really up to the task of a system this big? Its not been much of an issue for us because we rarely use the 1st floor but my wife is on holiday this month with my kid and I decided to turn off various rads i know i won't be using via the trvs. (5 of the 7 upstairs ones are off, 3 of the 6 middle floors are off and 1 of the 3 bottom floors is off). The rads downstairs get noticeable a lot warmer and the temps are more plesant on that floor. Is it possible i need to re jiggle my balancing and start off on a 1/6th turn or even 1/8th? I was kind of leaning towards the conclusion that given these lock valve figures i shouldn't have to turn off half the rads for the last ones on the bottom to get warm and that it was a pump sizing issue?

Hi mate, I'm not a plumber but thought I'd reply as just last week I had my pump fail which caused the ground floor rads to go lukewarm, the pump is a wiki gold 50 and my radiator configuration is almost the exact same as yours, I have 1 less!!!

The pump was replaced with a Groundfos ups 3, £120 from Toolstation and immediately fixed the issue. Just posting in case it helps.
 
Thanks for sharing your experience, its intresting as i was eyeing up that pump as a replacement since the specs sheets say its a decent bit better than the Gold 50. Think i may just bite the bullet and replace it. I just didn't want to spend £120 and see no benifit for it.

I also went and took off the supply manifold that supplies the down rads and it was clear as a whistle. I hooked up a premitive flush system using mains pressure to wash out the lines to one of the rads and it performs no better (still have to turn off a lot of rads in order to get piping hot water to the down ones)
 
Just an update if anyone ever has similar thoughts, took the old pump out, it was pretty full of crud. I'm blaming the previous owners for not using inhibitors or maintaining the system. I'd estimate it was performing at around 60% to 70% of original specs. New pump is much better and able to get flow down stairs easily. Need to go round and balance the system again after all the air settles out and can be bled
 
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