any idea when OC will get GPU cards in

[gpuerrilla]

So if miners are not buying the cards then where are they going because OCUK are not getting many in?

Also the ETH differculty has increased by 1000TH in the last 30 days alone.

UK electric prices have jacked up many times this year, some people are now facing 30% if they had two in succession.

If you put together all the measures and points listed you can easily see that as @KompuKare and @Psycho Sonny pointed out no sane miner is paying inflated prices with gimped LHR for 1+ year RoI (yes again 20% hikes in kwh across the board).

Like I said the 'flood' of GPU exodus has yet to happen. The last chance of it is the ETH merge 2.0 but judging by the last few predictions I would not hold your breath.

How about the people buying the cards are gamers and the two main factors which are lack of supply and over-inflated prices are the reason right now?

Ed -
They are in stock all over the retailers. Check the prices, this is why they are in stock:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2...dr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-0aj-kf.html 3080Ti £1699
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-45c-as.html 6800XT £1099
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-1a3-pc.html 6700XT £779

 

[JediFragger]

Bit rich blaming young people for GPU supply issue !

Makes a change from boomers getting ****

 

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[rumple9]

So if miners are not buying the cards then where are they going because OCUK are not getting many in?

Also the ETH differculty has increased by 1000TH in the last 30 days alone.

What are you talking about? OCUK has hundreds of Nvidia cards in stock from 3060 through to 3090 and all the AMD cards (except 6800)

 

[gpuerrilla]

What are you talking about? OCUK has hundreds of Nvidia cards in stock from 3060 through to 3090 and all the AMD cards (except 6800)

Tell me about it! We cant link the competitors but there are many about, they are just too expensive. Some people lose track of what they are arguing about, you can only drum a beat so long...

 

[Joxeon]

UK electric prices have jacked up many times this year, some people are now facing 30% if they had two in succession.

If you put together all the measures and points listed you can easily see that as @KompuKare and @Psycho Sonny pointed out no sane miner is paying inflated prices with gimped LHR for 1+ year RoI (yes again 20% hikes in kwh across the board).

Like I said the 'flood' of GPU exodus has yet to happen. The last chance of it is the ETH merge 2.0 but judging by the last few predictions I would not hold your breath.

How about the people buying the cards are gamers and the two main factors which are lack of supply and over-inflated prices.
They are in stock all over the retailers. Check the prices, this is why they are in stock:

Yeah so if gamers ain't buying them either because the ones OCUK have in stock are just sitting there then how come Nvidia keeps posting record revenues? and where has the 1000TH added to ETH differculty in the past month come from?

It's clear that non LHR versions are being sold at a lower cost "cutting out the middle men" in bulk to mining farms.

The left over scraps are going into LHR and shipped to retailers at inflated prices while keeping stock low.

You guys assume the miners are little guy buying half a dozen from retail stocks but the real miners are the big corps placing orders direct with the manufacturers of a million or more at a time.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Yeah so if gamers ain't buying them either because the ones OCUK have in stock are just sitting there then how come Nvidia keeps posting record revenues? and where has the 1000TH added to ETH differculty in the past month come from?

It's clear that non LHR versions are being sold at a lower cost "cutting out the middle men" in bulk to mining farms.

The left over scraps are going into LHR and shipped to retailers at inflated prices while keeping stock low.

You guys assume the miners are little guy buying half a dozen from retail stocks but the real miners are the big corps placing orders direct with the manufacturers of a million or more at a time.

Nobody is buying a million GPUs at a time. That's £500 million if it's 3070's at cost price.

Can you show me a source for these figures?

The fact is there is a chip shortage and therefore supply is getting worse not better so prices are going up. It's got nothing to do with miners buying up all the GPU.

The simple fact is gamers have started mining on the cards to help bare some of the costs of buying the GPU.

I'm fact you can see more folk join the crypto section every day and ask questions who are complete noobs.

 

[Joxeon]

Nobody is buying a million GPUs at a time. That's £500 million if it's 3070's at cost price.

Can you show me a source for these figures?

The fact is there is a chip shortage and therefore supply is getting worse not better so prices are going up. It's got nothing to do with miners buying up all the GPU.

The simple fact is gamers have started mining on the cards to help bare some of the costs of buying the GPU.

I'm fact you can see more folk join the crypto section every day and ask questions who are complete noobs.

Again the Ethereum difficulty has increased by the equivalent of adding 1 million 3080s pulling 100MH each in the last month and your trying to say that's all down to gamers who are stuck buying LHR cards?.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Again the Ethereum difficulty has increased by the equivalent of adding 1 million 3080s pulling 100MH each in the last month and your trying to say that's all down to gamers who are stuck buying LHR cards?.

ASICS can mine Ethereum fyi

 

[Joxeon]

ASICS can mine Ethereum fyi

And no doubt some is down to ASICS but at 20k a pop and no resale value when ETH goes POS a GPU seems a much safer bet this late in the day.

 

[DeliciousStorage]

Funny how every time you look at the post history of someone desperately trying to convince you mining had nothing to do with the current situation, it's full of crypto talk.

Perhaps by being involved in crypto they simply have more knowledge about crypto mining than yourself. There's no doubt it contributed to the GPU shortages, but by how much is anyone's guess. It's clear that the pandemic, scalpers, and a general increase in demand from a growing sector are also a big part of the shortages.

You can tell yourself whatever you like to help yourself sleep at night, but crypto objectively caused the current situation surrounding graphics cards. It would not exist without the mining boom. Don't bother typing a load of cope to try and convince me otherwise, as I won't be reading it.

Objective by what measure? Or is this just your opinion?

 

[Angilion]

Perhaps by being involved in crypto they simply have more knowledge about crypto mining than yourself. There's no doubt it contributed to the GPU shortages, but by how much is anyone's guess. It's clear that the pandemic, scalpers, and a general increase in demand from a growing sector are also a big part of the shortages. [..]

The fragility of global supply chains should also be thrown in there. The pandemic wouldn't have had as much effect if the supply chains had been less fragile. "Just in time" taken to the extreme levels that were normal is a recipe for disaster if any step of the way is less than perfect for any reason.

I doubt if anyone who could do anything about it will do anything about it. Profits are at a record high as they sell their stuff at record prices and sell as much as they can make. Why would they want to change that situation? Some meaningless words for PR purposes and that's it. The only possible change I can see is if Intel decide to (and are able to) price their forthcoming dGPU cards to acquire market share. If they can and do, it won't matter that they can't compete at the high end. Even just budget and low midrange cards at high (as opposed to ludicrous) prices would get them a massive market share immediately and vast amounts of extremely positive and completely free publicity. Every source in the world would be falling over itself to publicise the cards. Intel wouldn't even need to spend a penny on advertising.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Again the Ethereum difficulty has increased by the equivalent of adding 1 million 3080s pulling 100MH each in the last month and your trying to say that's all down to gamers who are stuck buying LHR cards?.

Did you not read the mammoth story of the crypto mining firm that had thousands of 470's confiscated during a court battle? The extra difficulty will be repurposes hardware moving about and as @Psycho Sonny said ASIC's utilised before they become paperweights.

This misinformation your driving is why everyone keeps blaming miners for GPU shortages. Best post so far goes to:

Perhaps by being involved in crypto they simply have more knowledge about crypto mining than yourself. There's no doubt it contributed to the GPU shortages, but by how much is anyone's guess. It's clear that the pandemic, scalpers, and a general increase in demand from a growing sector are also a big part of the shortages.

Just look at the retailers, they all have GPU's to buy!

 

[Joxeon]

Did you not read the mammoth story of the crypto mining firm that had thousands of 470's confiscated during a court battle? The extra difficulty will be repurposes hardware moving about and as @Psycho Sonny said ASIC's utilised before they become paperweights.

This misinformation your driving is why everyone keeps blaming miners for GPU shortages. Best post so far goes to:


Just look at the retailers, they all have GPU's to buy!

You guys keep on deluding yourselves if you think ethereum isn't the driving force behind the shortages and prices, I guess once it goes POS we'll see who was right.

 

[Harlequin]

LHR doesnt effect most alt coin mining, and if it does (ergo on nv for example), then there is software to bypass it anyway. As for LHR, with NBminer now at 70% of rated speed, the roi is now within most miners *lets buy this* zone

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah typical denial riposte standard for the forum when they are presented with real information as opposed to their Sun newspaper headline. If you have nothing constructive to add then don't post rubbish.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Perhaps by being involved in crypto they simply have more knowledge about crypto mining than yourself. There's no doubt it contributed to the GPU shortages, but by how much is anyone's guess. It's clear that the pandemic, scalpers, and a general increase in demand from a growing sector are also a big part of the shortages.


Objective by what measure? Or is this just your opinion?

How does scalpers create a shortage?

They are simply selling them on to the end user. Who will use them and therefore is no longer in the market for a GPU.

Use some logic before making a flawed argument.

 

[Bill Turnip]

You guys keep on deluding yourselves if you think ethereum isn't the driving force behind the shortages and prices, I guess once it goes POS we'll see who was right.

Will it go to PoS? I thought it was meant to around July? I don't know anything about crypto, but I remember this being posted quite a few times in this forum previously. Did it not, or was it a part step taken?

Problem is it's not just GPUs that are struggling - Car plants are slowing down and finding it difficult to get the raw/processed materials they need, if it was just mining behind it this wouldn't be the case. Are miners a contributing factor? Possibly, I'd say probably, but there is no way it is the only one, and at this stage I don't think it is the main one. However, the growth of crypto seems to be increasing and could have a bigger effect if legislation around it doesn't change.

One point to remember is that gamers have no RIGHT to a GPU. Up until recently, gamers have been the target market as that has more or less been the sole purpose of the GPU, but now that they have other (let's face it, profitable but wasteful) purposes, it's entirely possible that gamers will be left behind. Obviously all of the latest GPUs were targeted at gamers with dizzying promises made specifically to gamers of frame rates resolutions etc, but it probably won't be long until they are ADVERTISED as crypto mining beasts by the producers, if they're not already at targeted markets.

A 3080 or 6800XT is ALREADY around £650 at RRP, with 6900XT and 3090's costing far more. What I find most concerning is people complain they cannot get a GPU at THIS price, and feel they have a deal if they get one within £300 of this. This is going to put gaming beyond the reach of a lot of people, as it has done already. The amount of people who have decided consoles are the way forward this time seems to be an indicator of this. Unless legislation tightens around crypto second hand from miners may, in time, be the expected time for gamers to upgrade in future instead of release dates from Nvidia or AMD. Gamers may always be a generation behind, then the question needs to be asked "Do you want a GPU to play games, or to say that you have the best?".

I don't think it will get to this position as at this point crypto will be too big a threat to established currencies, but who knows?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Will it go to PoS? I thought it was meant to around July? I don't know anything about crypto, but I remember this being posted quite a few times in this forum previously. Did it not, or was it a part step taken?

Problem is it's not just GPUs that are struggling - Car plants are slowing down and finding it difficult to get the raw/processed materials they need, if it was just mining behind it this wouldn't be the case. Are miners a contributing factor? Possibly, I'd say probably, but there is no way it is the only one, and at this stage I don't think it is the main one. However, the growth of crypto seems to be increasing and could have a bigger effect if legislation around it doesn't change.

One point to remember is that gamers have no RIGHT to a GPU. Up until recently, gamers have been the target market as that has more or less been the sole purpose of the GPU, but now that they have other (let's face it, profitable but wasteful) purposes, it's entirely possible that gamers will be left behind. Obviously all of the latest GPUs were targeted at gamers with dizzying promises made specifically to gamers of frame rates resolutions etc, but it probably won't be long until they are ADVERTISED as crypto mining beasts by the producers, if they're not already at targeted markets.

A 3080 or 6800XT is ALREADY around £650 at RRP, with 6900XT and 3090's costing far more. What I find most concerning is people complain they cannot get a GPU at THIS price, and feel they have a deal if they get one within £300 of this. This is going to put gaming beyond the reach of a lot of people, as it has done already. The amount of people who have decided consoles are the way forward this time seems to be an indicator of this. Unless legislation tightens around crypto second hand from miners may, in time, be the expected time for gamers to upgrade in future instead of release dates from Nvidia or AMD. Gamers may always be a generation behind, then the question needs to be asked "Do you want a GPU to play games, or to say that you have the best?".

I don't think it will get to this position as at this point crypto will be too big a threat to established currencies, but who knows?

Stop talking sense Bill! Its not welcome with the narrative.

I have made these points lots and one of them points seems to stoke conniptions amongst the few albeit I was saying it tongue in cheek as its unfortunately the truth (its a GPU forum not a gamer forum).

 

[Joxeon]

Will it go to PoS? I thought it was meant to around July? I don't know anything about crypto, but I remember this being posted quite a few times in this forum previously. Did it not, or was it a part step taken?

Problem is it's not just GPUs that are struggling - Car plants are slowing down and finding it difficult to get the raw/processed materials they need, if it was just mining behind it this wouldn't be the case. Are miners a contributing factor? Possibly, I'd say probably, but there is no way it is the only one, and at this stage I don't think it is the main one. However, the growth of crypto seems to be increasing and could have a bigger effect if legislation around it doesn't change.

One point to remember is that gamers have no RIGHT to a GPU. Up until recently, gamers have been the target market as that has more or less been the sole purpose of the GPU, but now that they have other (let's face it, profitable but wasteful) purposes, it's entirely possible that gamers will be left behind. Obviously all of the latest GPUs were targeted at gamers with dizzying promises made specifically to gamers of frame rates resolutions etc, but it probably won't be long until they are ADVERTISED as crypto mining beasts by the producers, if they're not already at targeted markets.

A 3080 or 6800XT is ALREADY around £650 at RRP, with 6900XT and 3090's costing far more. What I find most concerning is people complain they cannot get a GPU at THIS price, and feel they have a deal if they get one within £300 of this. This is going to put gaming beyond the reach of a lot of people, as it has done already. The amount of people who have decided consoles are the way forward this time seems to be an indicator of this. Unless legislation tightens around crypto second hand from miners may, in time, be the expected time for gamers to upgrade in future instead of release dates from Nvidia or AMD. Gamers may always be a generation behind, then the question needs to be asked "Do you want a GPU to play games, or to say that you have the best?".

I don't think it will get to this position as at this point crypto will be too big a threat to established currencies, but who knows?

Cost of materials / semi conductor shortage / shipping prices etc effects all PC components yet everything except GPUs can be bought for at or under the MSRP so crypto is the main driver of the price and when it goes up GPUs follow and when it starts to come down then GPU prices start to drop.

The difficulty bomb is due to hit in December with POS following early next year so if that happens on schedule then by Easter there will be more GPUs on the shelves than Easter eggs at around MSRP while the used market will be saturated with cheap ex mining cards. this could be delayed though.