Any mortgage advisors here?

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Looking for info really.

Done a wide variety of jobs throughout my lifetime. 35 now. Got a mortgage but no kids. Got a degree in sound engineering.

Currently working for a car manufacturer for the last 18 months, it's good pay, guaranteed £3k payrise every Feb until i hit £40k in 2 years time but the work is extremely menial and repetitive and i have to work nights every 3rd week. Mainly i miss dealing with people strangely enough.

I have been giving some serious thought about becoming a mortgage advisor, even possibly a financial advisor later on.

Was just wondering if anyone on here is a mortgage advisor and if so would you recommend it?

Been looking at online CeMap courses and could afford to do it but before i purchase it looking for opinions of those in the know.

Thanks :)
 
I've been in the financial advisory sector since 1997 and an adviser since 2013.

Would I recommend it? Hard to say. It wasn't my first choice of career. I started out in engineering but was offered a role in the family business (Financial advisors) and was bored in the job I had (Pressure washer repairs of all things)

As in any business, if you don't have clients then you won't make money and I think it's quite hard to start from nothing and just decide you are going to advise - where do these clients come from?

If you went looking to join a practice they will probably want you to come with an existing client bank. They are unlikely to begin handing clients to you.

We don't do mortgages and pass on mortgage enquirers to a third party - she is very good, says shes making good money and also earns from selling the life assurance which typically follows a mortgage. She's also very approachable and bubbly and all the things you would expect from a sales type person - although the client needs the mortgage, she's still on a bit of a sales pitch for the life cover.

Financial advice is a bit different in that you're either selling products to meet targets/pay your bills or you are giving advice to those who have a problem that needs solving - like an accountant or a solicitor. With no targets or expectations of business production. This, sadly, can be rare and usually small IFA family firms like us. Big national networks are all about the sales and recommended to be avoided (fir the client at least, no idea what they are like to work for but I would hate it)

Unless you're comfortable with it and have the personality, I would say the former is to be avoided. I'm not a salesman and would hate to have to sell myself and indeed products to people. My specialist field is trusts and estate planning.

If you know lots of people in your area and will ask/tout for business then I would say you have a chance of making it work. If that isn't your thing then unless, like me, you can buy into something pre existing then you might want to consider something else.

There is also a ton of paperwork, compliance, continuing professional development, structured learning, monitored visits and just about everything possible to ensure you are giving suitable advice.
 
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I did mortgage advice for a brief stint working for a couple of retail banks. I can safely say that I hated every god damn second of it.

I think that was more to do with the environment and the extreme cross sales focus than actually offering proper advice on mortgages.

If I were to do it again it would be at an independent, I'd never go back to a retail bank.
 
Much like what Eddscott said.

I've been in financial services for about 20 years now. Fell into it after leaving uni (was doing Electrical engeineering degree but didn't work out)

I've been an IFA for 15 years.

With no qualifications and no background - you would need to commit some serious time to getting qualified. Mortgages - personally wouldn't touch them with a bargpole (I outsource any leads I get for them). Lots of work for very little reward these days.

Best options I would suggest would be look around locally and see if anywhere is taking on trainees etc - start as a sale support in a local office etc. Get an idea of the products / systems / processes etc.

Jumping straight into financial advice would be extremely difficult without any product knowledge, qualifications, clients etc etc.

Would I recommended it to someone - not sure I would. I work for myself, have no targets other than my own so I do benefit from working my own hours/own time with the family etc - however that is because I've built a client bank over last 15 years that are loyal clients. Starting all over again would be very hard with the amount of compliance/regulation/paperwork etc.

Would never go back to any form of large retail business with managers/targets/appointment levels etc - that grinds you down after a while!

That part of the job is what gets to you after a while - the paperwork/admin is ridiculous.

Good luck and ask away if you want any other information.
 
Thanks for your reply, sorry i didn't see it earlier!

I have been looking around on jobsites, albeit in a fairly half-hearted manner at the moment, but seems to be very little in the way of opening/trainee positions.

The few i have seen are all with big banks. All the independent companies want me to be CeMap qualified and have experience!

The Financial advisor roles hold more interest for me potentially but seems the same as the CeMap route as in how do i get started!?

I can't see the point in paying to get CeMap qualified if no one will take me on without experience anyway. I suppose if i went for a trainee role it would give me an advantage and show myself as self-motived and serious about my change in career.

Thoughts on whether its still worth doing CeMap gents?
 
I've worked with loads of mortgage advisers over the years and it's a very high staff turn over business - for a reason I think.
Your current role sounds pretty good financially
 
Really that bad?

My current role pays well above national average and in 18 months time i'm guaranteed to be on 40k basic and is stress free so in those respects yes it's great.

On the downside the job itself is awful. No intelligence/thought required. I hate it. No security either. Agency worker for a minimum of 5 years at which point they have to make you permanent or release you. No guarantee of a job in 3.5 years time.

This also means no sick pay, bonus, treated in a disgusting manner, pathetic pension etc.

I really do not want to be there.
 
Been a mortgage adviser for 22 years... I started in a national chain of estate agents so had leads given to me, after 10 years I fell into self employment, again working with an estate agent but a local independent..

Had a great time during the boom years and then the crash happened. Went from writing 10 mortgages a week to 10 over the following 2 years! 33,000 mortgage advisers nationally in 2007 fell to 8,000 by 2009, I was a survivor, thankfully I had the insurance side of the business to fall back on and a loyal client bank I had built up during the boom times whom I have spent the last 8 years servicing religiously. If I had to rely on new business only I would have gone under many years ago, unless you are sat in a bank or estate agency or have a good source of leads, the mortgage industry is a dead duck. A hell of a lot of work, compliance, regulation and cost for very little reward.

There is money to be made on the insurance side but unless you have a very good source of leads, have an existing client bank you can service or are a superb salesman able to gain 5 new hot leads from every client you meet, you will find it pretty much impossible to break into the industry. Then there are clawbacks to deal with.. cashflow on the insurance side can be an absolute nightmare..

If you are serious, the ONLY place I would start would be approaching the banks/building societies and getting in at that level. They will train you, they will provide leads but I wouldn't go back to that for any amount of money, would rather have a career change myself..

With regards to financial advice. Please don't think it's like being an adviser at the CAB giving good old advice over the table, it is all about selling, it's just that the product you are selling is highly regulated and complex. If you don't have the killer instinct and the ability to bond and close a deal, you will fail miserably.. As an example, When I joined the industry, Black Horse Agencies, regionally, took on 30-40 new starters each month, by the end of year 1, there were always only 2 or 3 left. It wasn't that they weren't intelligent enough, we all had to get through our licensing exams and later FPC and then MAQ (CeMap equivalent from a different direction.) It was all down to sales performance... it is a very cut throat, highly targeted industry. Remember, Financial services is about selling first and foremost but selling compliantly for the best outcome of the client. It is not like being a solicitor to whom people go to for help and guidance and pay them a fee.

Sorry to sound negative... I love my job sometimes, I did a clients will for them last week and went back to oversee the signing and witnessing, dragged the next door neighbours in as witnesses, did my pitch to the neighbours about their wills and went to see them the next day. By the time I left I had 2 wiils, a remortgage and all of their insurances in the bag... all told worth around £3k... what a buzz... but then, I'm a salesman who happens to sell financial services products, and as a salesman, I get a buzz out of selling... Absolutely hate mortgages and insurance with a passion, it just happens to be what I know and know very well indeed!

Just an addition about industry qualifications.... When you are doing the job day in and day out and pretty much living and breathing the course material every day, the learning and exams aren't too bad... my attitude is, if you are doing the job already and cant pass the exams... you shouldn't be doing the job!!!!

Trying to get through CeMap and/or FPC with no industry experience and from a cold start will not be easy. The concepts and theories may seem simple and straightforward but scratch the surface and a great deal of it will be alien to someone outside the industry ... most of it will never cross your path during your career but you still need to know it and be able to apply it to get through the exams
 
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