Any one use creatine ?

jolie77

jolie77

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Been using for a month felt stronger, not sure if its in the mind thou. Any one else swear by it ? + can explain the diffrent types
 
Seriously just placebo

I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread when I started taking it, took it for 2 months, came off and I'm no different now than when I was taking it, if anything I look better without as I'm not retaining water

The only people who benefit from it are the people who are working out insanely hard and they are getting that extra 1 rep on the maximum weight that creatine gives
 
It has it's pros and con's. Creatines a natural compound already in your body, you get it from foods as well such as steak and what not.

Different creatines work in different ways like monohydrate seems to give a more bloated effect, retaining more water hence the strength gains. Then you get ethyl ester. Different people get different effects all depends on your body, some people will swear by it, some people will say it's a waste of time taking it. It just depends on your reaction to it, I found some creatines do absolutely nothing for me whilst I notice effects of others. Theres also the newish kre-alkalyn, not tried it yet though. Creatine drink things are a lot of crap. The pills aren't something i'd go for either. Powder is what I'd stick with.
 
thanks for the heads up !! does it work like a protein powder thou and will make my muscles recover faster from training so much ??
 
to all intents and purposes it does nothing, float around the gymrats/bodybuilders threads and decide if your in the top 5% of lifters (size or strength wise) if so maybe you'll get some benefit, MAYBE, if your not its just money down the drain period
 
I cycled creatine last year for the first 6 months and thought I got some benefit, just don't expect a huge amount!

I did get very fat, mind you and the water retention didnt help!
 
jolie77 said:
Seems it works differently with different people !
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no, the science is just interpereted differently. Doctors and REAL scientists know that creatine is a simple phosphorylative molecule that acts as a carrier for the third phosphate required at the final stage of respiration (oxidative phosphoylation, post krebs cycle) this is where the adenosine di-phosphate becomes adenosine TRI-phosphate (otherwise known as ATP).

ATP is the energy molecule of oxygen based respiration, its production in muscle tissue is required for activation of muscle fibres in response to nervous instruction. HOWEVER it is very, very, very rare for someone with a reasonable diet , let alone someone with a GOOD diet, to deplete their available creatine reserves. Mostly this occus in very high level athletes during certain phases of their training cycle or in athletes whose diet is abnormally resticted for some reason.

Outside of these rare circumstances, creatine serves no scientifically notable purpose.

Nutritionists on the other hand (i like to call them alchemists myself, they turn everything into gold...) behave like all the science above doesnt matter and that creatine is some mysterious element, perhaps from the planet krypton, with mystical muscle exploding properties just waiting to be exploited by erstwhile skinny rejects.

"Hey if girls dont like you, they will when you take creatine you muscular bad-boy!"*

*actual quote from a nutritionist**

**probably

The fact is the placebo effect is very misunderstood and very, very powerful. It has been reponsible for, in rare cases, cures for everything from erectile disfunction to cancer. Is it beyond the realms of rational thought that it might, just MIGHT, help an underachieving trainer bust that mental plateau? Its only ever the nutritionists (salesmen not scientists) who claim creatine to be some complex and misunderstood product. It is in fact very well understood and with research you can find out just about everything about it in a very short time browsing pubmed and other medical publication resources. But the marketers and nutrition 'gurus' spin a web of mysticism around it which actually works FOR the placebo effect rather than against it.

Creatine works for some people, i just think its funny that those people are in 99% of cases kids/youngsters who have been training between 1 and 2 years and have relatively little to show for their gym time. If creatine helped a 220lb guy bench 550lbs instead of 520lbs then id call it a definative win. But when it helps a 140lb guy bench 120lbs it might aswell be pixie dust, hell a glass of water, a better mental state, a decent meal for gods sake could help that happen.

The fact is the only places you see creatine touted as a super supp are in sponsored bodybuilding mags and amongst trainers that quite frankly are as likely to succeed at building a physique as i am to nuzzle my face into gemma atkinsons crotch.......
 
I've used creatine in the past and to be honest I can't notice any benefits. The money would be better spent on food.
 
Is it beyond the realms of rational thought that it might, just MIGHT, help an underachieving trainer bust that mental plateau?
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Quite agree with your post, this in particular. The Placebo affect can be as strong as an actual direct affect in my opinion. I don't claim to have spent a great amount of time researching creatine but also feel I did benefit from taking it. However, I am more than willing to put it down to the fact that I was expecting benefits!
 
Mirage said:
Quite agree with your post, this in particular. The Placebo affect can be as strong as an actual direct affect in my opinion. I don't claim to have spent a great amount of time researching creatine but also feel I did benefit from taking it. However, I am more than willing to put it down to the fact that I was expecting benefits!
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Quite a common tale with creatine is that someone experiences benefit using it, then stops using it and sees NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS. This is the biggest peice of evidence for it being more mental than physical. If you stop taking a drug that has an effect its common sense to assume that the effect will vanish, odd that this rarely seems to happen with creatine.
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
If creatine helped a 220lb guy bench 550lbs instead of 520lbs then id call it a definative win. But when it helps a 140lb guy bench 120lbs it might aswell be pixie dust, hell a glass of water, a better mental state, a decent meal for gods sake could help that happen.
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you c/p that? not often we talk about lb's in here :p
 
i used creatine mono way back when i was around 17 or so

worked well for me more than just a placebo

i put on around half a stone (probably mostly water) didnt really get any more strength gains but i could do an extra 2-3 reps on my regular weights

not all people respond to it thats why some say it doesnt work etc but IMO it does
 
lol its clear your mind is made up and nothing i say about my personal experience with is going to change that so i wont bother
 
Sem said:
lol its clear your mind is made up and nothing i say about my personal experience with is going to change that so i wont bother
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His point is how can you prove it.

if you do the same weights for a while, it is natural that you will be able to do more reps than when you started.
there are many reasons for you being able to lift more or for more reps, especially at that age, that pinpointing creatine as the reason is laughable :p
 
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