Any Point to Intel 12th Gen New Build, with No PCIe 5.0, on new GPUs, and DDR5 Cost/Tech Issues?

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I was planning a new Intel 12th Gen build, as my 8 year X97 motherboard is starting to develop problems, so far 2 SATA ports have failed.

I was planning on going with a 12700K, the MSI Z690 Edge DDR4 motherboard and 32GB of DDR4 RAM (Kingston or Corsair), and re-use my existing GPU, GTX 1070, until the new GPU releases later this year.

Part of the reason to go with 12th Gen was that it had a PCIe Gen 5 slot and it was expected that the new generation of GPUs would be PCIe 5.0 but reading the rumours it looks like they will be PCIe 4.0.

Given that I am planning on using DDR4 and upgrade to DDR5 in a year or 2, once prices drop, and the quite serious bugs are sorted out, such as 4 DIMMs causing no POST issues as well as problems loading XMP 3.0, and it's possible that PCIe 5.0 may not be in use, GPU wise for possible another year, maybe two.

Would using previous generation parts make more sense, than diving straight into the latest generation, and using the saved money for a PCIe 5.0/DDR5 upgrade later?

If I went with older parts I would probably go the AMD route and use a Ryzen 5800X or 5900X, though if Intel a i7 10th Gen.
 
If gaming ddr5 offers little over ddr4 but you can still get the benefit of pcie5 on the motherboard and ddr4, like MSI z690 Tomahawk.

What's your main Use ?
 
mickyflinn said:
If gaming ddr5 offers little over ddr4 but you can still get the benefit of pcie5 on the motherboard and ddr4, like MSI z690 Tomahawk.

What's your main Use ?
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Mainly gaming, but a little photo editing.

At the moment you are paying a premium for Z690 motherboard, for DDR5 and PCIe 5.0, but given that the majority of people would use a GPU for that slot, if the rumours are true, that the next Gen of Nvidia GPUs, will use PCIe 4.0, is there any point on paying the premium for a Z690 motherboard, DDR4 or DDR5?
 
If you need a new system then buy the platform that best suits your needs now.

Your plan to get 12700k with a DDR4 Z690 is a perfectly reasonable upgrade path. Just because the platform has a few issues does not mean it is bad , just means you have to avoid the potential problems and because you are not an early adopter you know what they are. Your plan to upgrade to DDR5 in a year or 2 is debatable , to do so you would need a new mobo so it would not be a cheap upgrade and may not other much value for money for the performance uplift.

If gaming is the main priority then 5800x3d will be out soon and is a viable option. Need to decide what your priority is.

If you are thinking about a stop gap upgrade and going for a high end system with DDR5 in a couple of years then 12400+B660(hard to get a good value Intel mobo at moment) or 5600+B550 offer great value. You can spend approx £400 and get cpu+mobo+ram and that upgrade will easily be good for couple of years.

I personally would not consider Intel 10th or 11th gen unless you can get an excellent deal.
 
I definitely would not buy a 10th gen system, it just doesn't make sense anymore, either a stopgap like Haz123 suggested (12400 or 5600 non-x), or just go all-out and get the 12700 and have happy gaming for years to come. DDR5 and PCI-E 5.0, I couldn't care less about either, since if you buy a high-end graphics card it is unlikely to make a difference with the full 16 lanes, assuming PCI-E 5.0 goes the same way as 2, 3 and 4 have.
 
Author_25 said:
I was planning a new Intel 12th Gen build, as my 8 year X97 motherboard is starting to develop problems, so far 2 SATA ports have failed.

I was planning on going with a 12700K, the MSI Z690 Edge DDR4 motherboard and 32GB of DDR4 RAM (Kingston or Corsair), and re-use my existing GPU, GTX 1070, until the new GPU releases later this year.

Part of the reason to go with 12th Gen was that it had a PCIe Gen 5 slot and it was expected that the new generation of GPUs would be PCIe 5.0 but reading the rumours it looks like they will be PCIe 4.0.

Given that I am planning on using DDR4 and upgrade to DDR5 in a year or 2, once prices drop, and the quite serious bugs are sorted out, such as 4 DIMMs causing no POST issues as well as problems loading XMP 3.0, and it's possible that PCIe 5.0 may not be in use, GPU wise for possible another year, maybe two.

Would using previous generation parts make more sense, than diving straight into the latest generation, and using the saved money for a PCIe 5.0/DDR5 upgrade later?

If I went with older parts I would probably go the AMD route and use a Ryzen 5800X or 5900X, though if Intel a i7 10th Gen.
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if it's just gaming,
32gb of ram is all you'll need as overkill atm anyway, so just get 2 x 16gb. the 12700k and edge board is a great combo...talking £630 on OCuk. At least it has gen 5 on it, and room for 4 gen4 nvme...but to save moneyyou could drop to the MSI pro z690-A wifi, though with edge price drop, would only save £50...or..

for that you could go 5900X and MSI B550 gaming edge for £510 and save £120, or shove a 5800X3d in there for £560 and still save £70. on av the 5800X3d pips the 12900k in gaming performance. (the 5800X standard at £320 on OCuk doesn't make huge sense, as 5900X not that much more...seen it for £275 away though, which does, as would make £425 with the gaming edge, so saving £205...and put the money towards your gpu, DD5 5 ram in next upgrade or mobo

there is no right or wrong at mo...both amd and intel are competitive, but if you're wanting a full upgrade sooner rather than later when ddr5 becomes cheaper(when AM5 comes out and is ddr5 only, it'll become more mainstream again, more production will switch to ddr5 and prices should continue to drop, as well as the ram becoming faster), I'd go cheaper option....if I went full 12700k now etc, doubt I'd upgrade so soon

Looking at it also, if upgrading sooner, go z690 ddr5 board...32 gb 5600C36 ddr now £269, 5200C40 £239 and 4800C38 £229...still pricey but not up in the £400-£500 when 1st came out and in a year or so, the board will still be relevant as could take raptorlake cpu, will still have gen5 gpu slot...you could just sell the ram and replace with faster ram...might be cheaper just swapping ram than the whole cpu/ram/cpu combo...and will older tech hold it's value as well when ddr5 is more mainstream....seen Asus Strix Z690-F Gaming wifi DDR5 for £227, kingston fury 32gb 5200C40 for £200.66, and maybe stick a 12700 for £334.99 , so £762.97 total(add £50 for the k variant)...(your 12700k.edge and 32gb lpx corsair 3600C18 would be £755, so not a massive difference anymore)
 
OP there will alway be something new on the horizon.

We are very far from needing PCI-e gen 5 GPUs.

Do you need a new computer right now?

Yes or no?

If yes, DDR4 is unbelievably cheap at the moment making a DDR5 build silly in price but if you have to have DDR5, then sure. Go for it.

You can speculate all you like but you really need to choose for yourself.

People here can only really advise you from their point of view and some input from your side - there are pros and cons to all of the choices.

It’s really easy to buy a really fast system for a decent price these days so I can’t see why you wouldn’t upgrade.
 
Author_25 said:
Mainly gaming, but a little photo editing.

At the moment you are paying a premium for Z690 motherboard, for DDR5 and PCIe 5.0, but given that the majority of people would use a GPU for that slot, if the rumours are true, that the next Gen of Nvidia GPUs, will use PCIe 4.0, is there any point on paying the premium for a Z690 motherboard, DDR4 or DDR5?
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You always pay a premium for the latest tech and overclocking ability on z motherboards from intel . The other option is to go 12700 , b660 motherboard and pcie4 and way up the cost .

In the end you have to decide if its worth it but im tight and don't think ddr5 is.
 
Thanks for everyone's input, I get weird ideas into my head and discussing them helps to clarify things for me.

I will stick with my original plan of the, 12700K, and 16GB of DDR4, 32GB is overkill, though might change the motherboard to the, ASUS Intel Z690 ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4, from the MSI Z690 Edge DDR4. Got a mini bonus at work so a little extra towards the build.

Anyone have any experience with either Motherboard?

MSI Z690 Edge DDR4
ASUS Intel Z690 ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4

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Spending more on a motherboard will net you no extra performance when you are already in this category. Just get the cheapest MSI Z690 DDR4 board, about £160, and put the saved money to something worthwhile.
 
Journey said:
Spending more on a motherboard will net you no extra performance when you are already in this category. Just get the cheapest MSI Z690 DDR4 board, about £160, and put the saved money to something worthwhile.
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I thought about that but I like decent Audio and the MSI Z690 Edge gives me the latest audio.
 
You will also need a cpu cooler with a socket 1700 bracket a lot don't come with one you even though it says compatable. Be careful and check otherwise you will have to send for one from the cpu coolers manufacturer.
 
mickyflinn said:
You will also need a cpu cooler with a socket 1700 bracket a lot don't come with one you even though it says compatable. Be careful and check otherwise you will have to send for one from the cpu coolers manufacturer.
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Already bought an AIO, found the NZXT Kraken X53 240MM for £99.95 (£79.95 with some vouchers I had), came with the 1700 fittings.

Thank you for checking.
 
Author_25 said:
Considering that but not sure which one. Will need to do some investigation on that.
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Loads of good units out there, just have a look at some of the review sites and you'll soon narrow down something that fits your criteria, I have a unit that is portable, so I can use it with a phone USB audio player and also on the PC if I want to.
 
Author_25 said:
Considering that but not sure which one. Will need to do some investigation on that.
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Agreed with the other post about onboard audio not being up to par.

A DAC is a worthy investment and far better quality audio since it’s outside the noisy internal parts of the computer.
 
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