Any police officers here? Question about NIP

BenST · 15 Mar 2007 at 22:41

matt100 said:
someone could be doing dougnuts in the middle of the M3 in a clone of my car right now

That would be a sight!

Guru · 15 Mar 2007 at 22:46

matt100 said:
I was thinking that.. if I was a copper I'd be thinking

yes

yes

yes

don't care

don't care

lost interest....

What you need to say is

I have received NIP ref x, I was physically incapable of being there because I was at the hospital with my partner and our recently born child. I can supply witnesses if required.

please can you supply me with any evidence you have s I believe your claim to be inaccurate and should you feel the need to take this to court I will defend it vigorously.

yours

blah

all that nonsense about beautiful baby blah and very concerned about blah.. whilst totally true is just waffle that will stop a duty officer getting the the point.

On a different note, a friend of mine had a rude awakening when the feds turned up to tell him they had recovered his car which they had chased and stopped full of ******, it was made more suprising because his actual car was on the drive when they turned up. What they had stopped was a clone, it happens. And more than you might think, your case fits the pattern, a clone, quite close to home (they have to see your car to clone it) being driven like a tit.

What sort of car is it?

lol true I tend to write to much!

There is no reference number on the NIP.

Its a Green VW Golf TDI

matt100 · 15 Mar 2007 at 22:52

there's bound to be some sort of reference.. if there's no reference it never happened tbh.

in fact if there's no reference then I'd say it was a scam.. every time (too regular for comfort) I've received an nip its had references all over it.

Guru · 15 Mar 2007 at 22:53

matt100 said:
there's bound to be some sort of reference.. if there's no reference it never happened tbh.

in fact if there's no reference then I'd say it was a scam.. every time (too regular for comfort) I've received an nip its had references all over it.

I've had one before for driving without due care and attention when I wrote of my 1st car, it had a huge reference number on it. This one has a space for it but its blank.

matt100 · 15 Mar 2007 at 22:56

Guru said:
I've had one before for driving without due care and attention when I wrote of my 1st car, it had a huge reference number on it. This one has a space for it but its blank.

personally I'd ignore it then.

Seriously, if they haven't got a reference then it might as well not have happened and if you ask for the reference they might generate one then you've landed yourself in court.

Sit on the letter and see what happens IMO.

dannyjo22 · 16 Mar 2007 at 08:05

Guru said:
I totally understand. Sorry if I've upset you or anything.

Thanks for the well wishes mate

Its ok mate, you didnt upset me. I'd pretty much stayed out of motors since my accident. Yours was in GD originally so my eye was drawn to it. My fault not yours

Entai · 16 Mar 2007 at 08:29

dannyjo22 said:
Even if a member of the public has reported you a good solicitor can discredit it, as I found out myself.

If they are paying such close attention to you, then they arent paying enough attention to their own driving. Therefore they are not a good enough driver to judge you.

Sounds madness, but thats what happened to me.

TBH IMO it sounds as though you were a bit lucky for the solicitor to win on that argument.
Personally I would have thought a good/reasonable driver should easily have full control of their own car, and know exactly what is going on all around them at all times.

As an aside the witness in my wife's situation was a pedestrian so that argument would be irrelevant anyway.

Malt_Vinegar · 16 Mar 2007 at 08:38

Entai said:
TBH IMO it sounds as though you were a bit lucky for the solicitor to win on that argument.
Personally I would have thought a good/reasonable driver should easily have full control of their own car, and know exactly what is going on all around them at all times.

My brother is a highways officer, and has been known to phone the police about certain drivers when off duty, and then file a report the next day. Hes Rospa trained and considered an advanced driver. His say so is considered enough to prosecute.

dannyjo22 · 16 Mar 2007 at 10:27

Entai said:
TBH IMO it sounds as though you were a bit lucky for the solicitor to win on that argument..

I never said it was me that got off, even so your post is a prime example of why i said I wouldn't post full details. You had already made a judgement on a case you know nothing about. I just said what a solicitor and an insurance company have told me. When you pay decent money for a solicitor I now have first hand experience that some people become above the law sadly.

Entai · 16 Mar 2007 at 10:49

dannyjo22 said:
I never said it was me that got off, even so your post is a prime example of why i said I wouldn't post full details. You had already made a judgement on a case you know nothing about. I just said what a solicitor and an insurance company have told me. When you pay decent money for a solicitor I now have first hand experience that some people become above the law sadly.

Sorry no offence meant, I should have worded my reply differently instead of pointing it to you.

It is my bad habit of typing a reply quickly, and not checking it all thouroghly before submitting it.

Again sorry, you are correct I do not know all the details but the point I was trying to make does not need all the details correct to put the point across.

The point being that any good skilled driver should know exactly what is going on around them without it being detrimental to their driving ability.

dannyjo22 · 16 Mar 2007 at 10:56

Entai said:
Sorry no offence meant, I should have worded my reply differently instead of pointing it to you.

It is my bad habit of typing a reply quickly, and not checking it all thouroghly before submitting it.

Again sorry, you are correct I do not know all the details but the point I was trying to make does not need all the details correct to put the point across.

The point being that any good skilled driver should know exactly what is going on around them without it being detrimental to their driving ability.

Sorry my bad. Shouldnt have got so defensive, my fault I should leave this thread now before upsetting myself

Your correct I find that defence laughable too, which is cause of my frustration. I shall leave this thread now so as not to work myself up, but Guru best of luck let me know how you get on

My apologies Entai

Premier · 16 Mar 2007 at 11:34

probably best to keep the letter to the facts as well and not use the I was told and some has informed me stuff.

the longer the letter the less chance their gonna read it all the way through as well.

Guru · 16 Mar 2007 at 22:46

been trying to post on that five-0 forums since someone linked to it, but it always says im waiting activation

I'm gonna go down to the hospital and get someone to sign that statement tomorrow. Just hope they remember me its been like 11 days.

goreblast · 17 Mar 2007 at 09:03

Mate they will remember you all right. Maternity staff spend a lot of one to one time with folk so generally will remember them for a good while; not like a normal ward when you are lucky to see the nurses sometimes.

whitecrook · 17 Mar 2007 at 09:49

All good points made by folk, the letter is too rambly etc etc, but something I feel I must point out. You are pointing out 09:05pm as being ambiguos and suggest 21:05. Technically, that is wrong as well. 24 time = 2105 (hrs) Only use the : in 12 hour time.

Also, you put down 12:00pm. There is no such time that is ambiguos in itself. Do you mean 12:00 noon or 12:00 midnight?

Anyway let us know how you get on.

Guru · 17 Mar 2007 at 14:38

Well that didn't go so great, just got back from the hospital and there was no-one on who was working on the 6th.

There was one woman who I recognised that also recognised me, but she was only working on the night before my son popped out.

They also said anything like this has to go thought management we are just lowly minions or something to that effect.

Basically I've not got anything signed to say I was there.

They have given me a telephone number for the management of the ward though, to call on Monday. Don't know how they can help though cause they won't have seen me themselves

I did notice there is CCTV in the hospital though, but I don't know if that could help or if it would even be looked into over a traffic offence.

tonyyeb · 17 Mar 2007 at 14:52

Guru said:
I did notice there is CCTV in the hospital though, but I don't know if that could help or if it would even be looked into over a traffic offence.

IMO evidence is evidence. If you cant call on that in a court of law then it must violate some kind of human rights law.

Guru · 17 Mar 2007 at 17:03

I've shortened the letter down to one page and not included the bit I've not managed to get signed...how does this read to you guys?

Sergeant Ellis,

I am writing to you because I received a notice of intended prosecution yesterday which I have enclosed. I am a little confused and very concerned about this. It states on the form a time/date and a place as follows:

AT 09:05pm on Tuesday 6th March 2007 on the A4130 in Oxfordshire

The time seems ambiguous because it says 09:05 yet it also says PM but either way, on the morning of the 6th of March 2007 at around 0530hrs I was called into High Wycombe Hospital where my girlfriend, Karen Wilson, had gone into labour. I went from our home in Widmer End to be present for the birth of our baby boy at 0808hrs. I stayed in the hospital until 1200noon when I was asked to observe visiting hours. I returned at the start of the next visiting hours at 1430hrs and stayed with Karen and our newborn son until 2100hrs when again I was asked to observe the visiting hours. Karen and our son were kept in over night under observation because our baby was premature and I was allowed to return the next day (7th March) at 1030hrs when visiting hours resumed.

I am extremely unhappy about receiving this notice. I don’t want to be held responsible for something that I didn’t do. I drive for a living and I certainly can’t afford to have any endorsements on my license. I would appreciate being sent copies of any evidence you may have regarding this notice.

Obviously I am able to provide proof that our baby was born on this day and I have many witnesses to the fact I was in the hospital throughout; including both family members and hospital staff.

I would greatly appreciate a quick response from yourselves to put my mind at rest, as you can imagine we are going through a stressful time at the moment looking after our first baby and this has added a lot of stress to our current situation.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter.

Yours Sincerely,

pinkaardvark · 17 Mar 2007 at 17:17

1: I've never heard of a prosecution based purely on an untrained observers opinion for a road traffic offence.
2: So if they do have video or other eveidence which I'd assume, it will be thrown out of court because of the error in the time data ie 09:05PM
3: As suggested I'd ignore it until you get a summons which is somewhat unlikely.

Guru · 17 Mar 2007 at 17:50

pinkaardvark said:
1: I've never heard of a prosecution based purely on an untrained observers opinion for a road traffic offence.
2: So if they do have video or other eveidence which I'd assume, it will be thrown out of court because of the error in the time data ie 09:05PM
3: As suggested I'd ignore it until you get a summons which is somewhat unlikely.

The only problem I'd have with 3: is that on the form it says that I can be prosecuted for not responding with details of the driver within 28 days.

Do you honestly think this 09:05pm would chuck it out of court?

p.s. are you a police officer or something?