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Any truth to rumours of an AGP nvidia 8 series card ?
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read something on the nzone forums about nvidia braggin that thier pci-e bridge chip is scaleable up to any future core so effectivly any pci-e card they produce can be put over to agp. there seemed to be hints towards a 8600gt of some sorts heading over to agp. someone even mentioned that the 8600 line up will be based on 64 stream processors and the rest of the lineup will be based on clock speeds.
This just goes to show how unnecesary new technology is pushed onto the consumer really, now we are in a position where new GPU technology reduces the required bandwidth?
no real point to this post I suppose, just a gripe
I hope they do make it to AGP btw
no real point to this post I suppose, just a gripe
I hope they do make it to AGP btw
only reason there is less need for bandwidth is because the card itself has loads of onboard ram so it never needs to go to system ram other than to get the initial data first.
lots more life left in agp, but the real money for pci-e is in integrated gfx solutions where the bottleneck can be the gpu to ram interface. over agp its gonna be around 2 gigs per seond and on pci-e its around 11 gigs persecond. turbocache and hyper memory cards benefit the most from pci-e.
lots more life left in agp, but the real money for pci-e is in integrated gfx solutions where the bottleneck can be the gpu to ram interface. over agp its gonna be around 2 gigs per seond and on pci-e its around 11 gigs persecond. turbocache and hyper memory cards benefit the most from pci-e.
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dazsly said:
LOL Why?
8800s get bottlenecked my Conroes, so how is a AGP system gonna cope? And if they have a poor system they aint gonna have stupid high resolutions.
Not gonna happen, something 125% of what a X1950 Pro can do with DX10 is all your gonna get TBH.
Surely only a few people still use AGP cards? They've been dead for ages. For Nvidia to invest in changing their cards over to AGP wouldnt make sense for the small amount of people still using old technology. Depends how easily it can be done I suppose but cant see it being worth it as they could be left with a lot of cards stuck on shelves in shops. If people cant afford to upgrade from an AGP motherboard, then I cant see how people can justify spending £300 on a graphics card 
number41 said:Surely only a few people still use AGP cards? They've been dead for ages. For Nvidia to invest in changing their cards over to AGP wouldnt make sense for the small amount of people still using old technology. Depends how easily it can be done I suppose but cant see it being worth it as they could be left with a lot of cards stuck on shelves in shops. If people cant afford to upgrade from an AGP motherboard, then I cant see how people can justify spending £300 on a graphics card
Few?
Over 90% of all pc's with standalone gfx have agp atm, only enthousiasts know a difference, theoverlarge part of people have had the same pc for ages and pretty much all of them are agp still, although these days prebuilt pc's indeed come with pci-e slots, however it's going to take a few years mroe for pci-e to actually become more popular, i still know people who have a p2 500 mhz or somethign and just dont see then eed to upgrade, saying its enough for internet and email, imo unless people will need more powerfull pc's for stuff like internet, office, occasional film etc; agp (and old pc's) will stay for many more years...
As for the gfx part, when a game comes out that is slow, the 1st thing they are buying is a new gfx card, no new pc, atm most agp systems (socket A, 478 p4's, etc...) still meet the requirement for games, ie you wont find a game needing a dualcore cpu yet, so people wont bother buying new pc's and mainboards, the mainstream users just buy new gfx and have em profesionally fitted or try it themselves.
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number41 said:Surely only a few people still use AGP cards? They've been dead for ages. For Nvidia to invest in changing their cards over to AGP wouldnt make sense for the small amount of people still using old technology. Depends how easily it can be done I suppose but cant see it being worth it as they could be left with a lot of cards stuck on shelves in shops. If people cant afford to upgrade from an AGP motherboard, then I cant see how people can justify spending £300 on a graphics card
The enthusiasts are a minority in the PC world. Most families have about 2 or 3 PC's nowadays. Why upgrade to PCI-X for web surfing, online shopping and MSN?.
There will be millions of AGP systems out there. One £150 (estimate) 8600GT in one million AGP machines = £150,000,000. I suppose it's pocket change to the companies
hehe.Dead to us but PCI-X who?? to the rest
.EDIT: Spot on Snowdog!!!!. You posted while I was writing
.Fair enough that AGP is alive in the family PCs, but if they havent heard of PCI-E why on earth would they want an AGP 8800 to browse the internet with! My point was that it probably isnt in Nvidias interest to port the 8800 to AGP as those still with AGP wouldnt go for such a high end card, hence shops would be left with a stockpile of AGP 8800s sitting around.
Suerly the 8800 is in the "enthusiast" price bracket hence why its PCI-e?
Suerly the 8800 is in the "enthusiast" price bracket hence why its PCI-e?
J.D said:The enthusiasts are a minority in the PC world. Most families have about 2 or 3 PC's nowadays. Why upgrade to PCI-E for web surfing, online shopping and MSN?.
There will be millions of AGP systems out there. One £150 (estimate) 8600GT in one million AGP machines = £150,000,000. I suppose it's pocket change to the companies
Dead to us but PCI-E who?? to the rest
EDIT: Spot on Snowdog!!!!. You posted while I was writing
AGP is dead. I highly doubt they will make G80/1 AGP cards. How many families do you know (average families that don't know too much about computers) go down to the local store and buy a new AGP 8600GS GDDR3 256bit *blah blah* video card? For what email and web browsing? All you need is a TNT2! That comes in PCI and AGP!
No they go to dell.co.uk or something and order the new pretty box that hums and makes noise and does what they need. They could not tell you if there was an AGP card or a PCI-E card in there, or an integrated one. BUT considering its a new motherboard it will most likely be a PCIe one.
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They are making the 8600 AGP version from what ive read, but that will be the last throw of the dice for AGP i would imagine and seriously dought things will go beyound that. Reason ive come to this conclusion; well if they keep producing cards for what the industry regards as 'soon to be dead' format - there is danger of egg on face moment at some point if they continue pumping money into AGP slot next gen gfx cards. They could end up with expensive stock collecting dust on store shelves...
Reason ive come to this conclusion; well if they keep producing cards for what the industry regards as 'soon to be dead' format - there is danger of egg on face moment at some point if they continue pumping money into AGP slot next gen gfx cards. They could end up with expensive stock collecting dust on store shelves...
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