Any Web Developers ?

Fr0dders · 16 Jan 2007 at 09:45

Any of you guys on here web developer's

Im currently doing 1st/2nd line support, but its EPOS support to the retail sector, so im using T-SQL and SQL server 2000 a lot. Obviously SQL databases tend to be the backend of most database driven websites which leads me onto web developers

are there positions around purely for coders, say in asp.net, SQL etc.. but not with an artistic / creative element. I'm not in the slightest bit creative

I would definitely be more of a code monkey.

Or is database developer going to be more my thing ?

Mickey · 16 Jan 2007 at 09:52

MrLOL said:
Any of you guys on here web developer's

Yes.

MrLOL said:
are there positions around purely for coders, say in asp.net, SQL etc.. but not with an artistic / creative element. I'm not in the slightest bit creative

Yes, loads of jobs.

MrLOL said:
I would definitely be more of a code monkey.

You said it.

MrLOL said:
Or is database developer going to be more my thing ?

If you want, but there are far fewer jobs doing pure database development than all round developer positions. You'd be looking at larger organisations to get a role that specific.

zetec452 · 16 Jan 2007 at 09:55

I'm always seeing jobs advertised for .NET developers of sorts.

Get a book, start learning and go for it.

Stelly · 16 Jan 2007 at 09:59

Mickey said:
Yes.

Yes, loads of jobs.

You said it.

If you want, but there are far fewer jobs doing pure database development than all round developer positions. You'd be looking at larger organisations to get a role that specific.

Me too... I program in C#

Stelly

sist_si · 16 Jan 2007 at 09:59

Loads and loads of jobs!
I code as well as db develop, problem solve, db admin etc etc so i'd agree that unless you go to a larger company, you won't get a dedicated area to work in.
If you're into .NET too then you're sorted with the right experience. Sign up to a job site and wait for the mails to pile in!

Fr0dders · 16 Jan 2007 at 10:02

well i already know a fair bit of T-SQL and use Query Analyser / Enterprise manager daily

im looking to expand on that. I already know HTML & CSS. So if i were to start learning asp.net then web developer would be a relatively easy job to get into ? (providing of course my knowledge of T-SQL/ SQL Server/ asp.net etc.. was sufficient of course)

sist_si · 16 Jan 2007 at 10:05

yea, it'd be good to know. the .net would go hand in hand with the SQL side of things really.
I've been working in the industry for about 7 years now and i primarily work with classic ASP, HTML, CSS, Javascript (incl. AJAX) and SQL Server. VB/ASP.NET is something i'm just getting into but there are never enough hours in the day to dedicate to learning new languages so it's a very gradual process.

5ingh · 16 Jan 2007 at 10:05

Just out of curiosity, what is the starting salary for a job like this(roughly)?

leaskovski · 16 Jan 2007 at 10:08

MrLOL said:
Any of you guys on here web developer's

Im currently doing 1st/2nd line support, but its EPOS support to the retail sector, so im using T-SQL and SQL server 2000 a lot. Obviously SQL databases tend to be the backend of most database driven websites which leads me onto web developers

are there positions around purely for coders, say in asp.net, SQL etc.. but not with an artistic / creative element. I'm not in the slightest bit creative

I would definitely be more of a code monkey.

Or is database developer going to be more my thing ?

Your a DB dev mate. More of a nuts and bolts person and an arty farty type.

sist_si · 16 Jan 2007 at 10:08

I'd say the average was between £18-25k with 2 or 3 years experience. From what I've seen it varies a lot. I know people who earn A LOT more.

Fr0dders · 16 Jan 2007 at 12:57

leaskovski said:
Your a DB dev mate. More of a nuts and bolts person and an arty farty type.

i must admit, most of the jobs i looked at for web developer involved some creative input, hence why i asked if there were any jobs that just required coding, because in the quick scan of the IT recruitment sites i did, i couldnt find any.

Im doing 1st/2nd line support now, but i dont want to be doing that all my life. I'm only 24 and need to work towards something. As the snippet in the new will smith film says "you want something ? go get it."

Dont want to be clearing print ques and changinger user passwords for the next 40 years.

Just trying to work out where i want to work towards. Im enjoying the SQL stuff i get to do now, in fact if theres a call involving SQL stuff, im having a go myself, rather than pass it on. And im really enjoying it, so its probably going to be something with SQL like DBA/ Database Developer, but web developer would be another avenue open to me that would quite interest me if i can get the hang of programming asp.net or similar. but given that i got on quite well with HTML & CSS, i should be ok.

Hawkpie · 16 Jan 2007 at 13:28

yeah, I look after a team of web developers and the role of designer and programmer are very distinct.

our designers tend to be creative and like messing on with different effects etc in photoshop, whereas our programmers get excited by new .NET controls and SQL stuff.

i am a .NET programmer myself and couldnt design anything to save my life. the smaller companies might want creative ability in order to provide cover in case the designers are on holiday etc.

sist_si said:
I'd say the average was between £18-25k with 2 or 3 years experience. From what I've seen it varies a lot. I know people who earn A LOT more.

aye, agree with that.

Gobbledegeek · 16 Jan 2007 at 13:35

Funilly enough I'm about to re-establish my old design firm and need just coders but I'm not supposed to say so here as it would be construde as self-promotion of business interests!

Fr0dders · 16 Jan 2007 at 17:22

well i know at least know the market exists

just got to get out there and learn my stuff now i guess.

Fr0dders · 21 Jan 2007 at 09:31

just to ressurect my old thread

i've since picked up a book on asp.net and within seconds of reading the book, id learnt something quite dramatic

that asp.net is only a standard for active webpages, not a language

the lanaguage itself can be vb.net c# cobalt.net etc...

reading up apparently vb.net and c# are now allmost identical in terms of functionality and only differ in syntax format

i've been looking at job adverts that ask for "asp.net" but they never specify which language. Do they assume vb.net when they ask for this ? or are they not bothered

Also, obviously asp.net has HTML content in it, i've been using visual studio express to code my stuff so far, but i learnt HTML from scratch, and had allways used notepad to code HTML.

this feels somewhat cheating as it finishes the code for you

is using visual studio "cheating" or does everybody in the industry use it ?

Una · 21 Jan 2007 at 10:20

MrLOL said:
just to ressurect my old thread

i've since picked up a book on asp.net and within seconds of reading the book, id learnt something quite dramatic

that asp.net is only a standard for active webpages, not a language

the lanaguage itself can be vb.net c# cobalt.net etc...

reading up apparently vb.net and c# are now allmost identical in terms of functionality and only differ in syntax format

i've been looking at job adverts that ask for "asp.net" but they never specify which language. Do they assume vb.net when they ask for this ? or are they not bothered

Also, obviously asp.net has HTML content in it, i've been using visual studio express to code my stuff so far, but i learnt HTML from scratch, and had allways used notepad to code HTML.

this feels somewhat cheating as it finishes the code for you

is using visual studio "cheating" or does everybody in the industry use it ?

Go with C# its a much nicer language in the long run and if you need to turn to java/js etc.. the syntax is similar. Vb is horrible in my opinion from a programming point of view, I can see why it is used for rapid dev though.

punky_munky · 21 Jan 2007 at 10:52

MrLOL said:
just to ressurect my old thread

i've since picked up a book on asp.net and within seconds of reading the book, id learnt something quite dramatic

that asp.net is only a standard for active webpages, not a language

the lanaguage itself can be vb.net c# cobalt.net etc...

reading up apparently vb.net and c# are now allmost identical in terms of functionality and only differ in syntax format

i've been looking at job adverts that ask for "asp.net" but they never specify which language. Do they assume vb.net when they ask for this ? or are they not bothered

Also, obviously asp.net has HTML content in it, i've been using visual studio express to code my stuff so far, but i learnt HTML from scratch, and had allways used notepad to code HTML.

this feels somewhat cheating as it finishes the code for you

is using visual studio "cheating" or does everybody in the industry use it ?

HTML is a pretty mindless job so you should be grateful it churns it out for you.

Fr0dders · 21 Jan 2007 at 11:02

Una said:
Go with C# its a much nicer language in the long run and if you need to turn to java/js etc.. the syntax is similar. Vb is horrible in my opinion from a programming point of view, I can see why it is used for rapid dev though.

but what exactly are employers asking for when they ask for "asp.net"

they dont mention whether they want vt.net or c#

whats more, all the "teach yourself asp.net" books seem to be teaching vb.net

i know VB used to be the smaller brother of C++ but apparently this has all changed in .net now

do employers that ask for "asp.net" not mind which language you learn, is there an industry standard and they assume you'll have learnt that ?