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Any word yet on the mysterious rumoured RDNA3-exclusive AI upscaling?

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Personally I hated FSR 2+ on my 5700XT, and a major selling point in getting the 7900 XT for me was simply being able to run native (UWQHD@100 + 4K60) right now. Otherwise I'd have likely gone NVidia just for DLSS (nearly went for a used 3090 - currently glad I didn't as loving the 7900 XT).

I hear rumours that RDNA3 has some dormant tech that may be used in a future RDNA3-only FSR implementation. I've searched for articles and mostly get 2022 rumour pages.

Considering that even the brand new AI based XeSS (on Intel cards) beats FSR, I'd be delighted to hear my new 7900 XT has hidden tech awaiting to be unleashed, as I know it won't always be able to drive the resolutions I currently play at as well as it does now.

The most gutting thing to hear would be that hardware AI-driven AMD-exclusive FSR is a feature coming to future RDNA3 cards (7600/7800XT, 7950XTs, etc), which is why they've been delaying those, and they didn't have time to implement it in the early release 'prototype' 7900XT/Xs :rolleyes:
 
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Not seen or heard anything like that. FSR3 with their version of frame gen, allegedly, is the next upscaling/fps 'boosting' tech under development coming soon, and is meant to be vendor agnostic and work on older generation cards which suggests it is unlikely to be reliant on hidden tech to function. That does also suggest to me that it will rely more on the Developer implementation

Although I would be surprised if AMD don't leverage machine learning in the future, let it trial and error its way to a better (by apparent output) overall or game by game solution.
I know AI likes to get bandied around a lot by tech companies as it's the word of the hour, but as a broad term it seems pretty meaningless in this context.
 
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Sorry but those were garbagetubr ( ‘content creator’ ) invented rumors. They gotta get their clicks somehow right? Only to be repeated on reddit / forums by you know who.

Only real thing coming is FSR3 but that wob’t be ‘AI’ accelerated or anything because the 7900xt/xtx have nothing AI related on them. 8xxx series will though.
 
Rumours point towards them talking more about it at GDC in late June.

e: Odd, the GDC site says it's being held in late June but this article says Thursday, March 23, at 10 AM PT / 1 PM ET
 
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The only thing that they would AI accelerate would be FSR 3 aka the frame generation part. There's no indication that they're interested in going back and adding a 3rd upscaling option for FSR that's now AI assisted. Perhaps they will eventually but I doubt it will happen for existing hardware, so at best they'd do it with RDNA 4 (or whatever it is).
Imo everything Radeon is doing is based around consoles, that's why they were so gung-ho about their open & widespread compatibility approach to FSR 1 & 2, and now working hard on trying to get even FSR 3 to also be that way. In fact if we look at the financial reports it's pretty the much the only way they make money with Radeon anymore, besides the odd super-computer contract. The discrete graphics portion for client is pretty much a non-factor economically.
If you care about AA quality at all and DLSS (particularly DLAA) is available in the games you play then AMD should not have been in contention, and from everything I've seen that's not going to change.
 
Murphy said:
Rumours point towards them talking more about it at GDC in late June.
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Well at least it isn't too far away and we such get some decent info.

FSR2 is pretty bad overall (compared to latest DLSS at least), I'm personally hoping for a complete overhaul (at least for 7000-onwards).
 
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eddyr said:
Not seen or heard anything like that. FSR3 with their version of frame gen, allegedly, is the next upscaling/fps 'boosting' tech under development coming soon, and is meant to be vendor agnostic and work on older generation cards which suggests it is unlikely to be reliant on hidden tech to function.
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Wide compatibility doesn't necessarily mean the same quality or performance on all hardware. XeSS is "compatible" with most GPUs from the past decade, yet has three distinct tiers that provide a very different experience.

XMX mode: Arc-exclusive and provides the best image quality and performance uplift
DP4a mode: RDNA 2+/Pascal+ with worse image quality and smaller performance uplift
Int24 mode: RDNA 1/Maxwell or prior and performs worse than native rendering

There's no reason AMD couldn't have a similar setup where FSR runs best on their hardware thanks to some secret sauce. It probably won't happen though.
 
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FSR3 is proprietary software, controlled by drivers so only AMD GPUs can use FSR 3. Additionally FSR3 frame generation can generate 1 to 4 fake frames per real frame, unlike DLSS3 which can only generate 1 fake frame - that in theory means FSR3 could increase framerate by 400%, unfortunately that would also created a huge amount of input latency and make the image blurry but the option is there and it looks like the user can control it in the amd driver

wccftech.com

AMD FSR 3 Might Generate Up To 4 Interpolated Frames & Be Enabled On Driver-Side

AMD FSR 3 will be featuring frame generation technology, allowing it to generate up to 4 interpolated frames for each real frame.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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"AMD has so far said that they aren't entirely going to use AI for FSR "FiedilityFX Super Resolution" since they have more suitable use cases for the AI hardware." Absolute ********.

That's me out then as soon as the 7900XT can't run a game I play natively, FSR2 quality (compared to DLSS currently) is absolute crappola.

Thanks @Grim5 for the info/link.
 
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JediFragger said:
"AMD has so far said that they aren't entirely going to use AI for FSR "FiedilityFX Super Resolution" since they have more suitable use cases for the AI hardware." Absolute ********.

That's me out then as soon as the 7900XT can't run a game I play natively, FSR2 quality (compared to DLSS currently) is absolute crappola.

Thanks @Grim5 for the info/link.
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They’re basically stating that they don’t have the skills or plans to enable their hardware to run AI-based tech, which I guess makes sense given how much smaller they are than Nvidia.

I want AMD to succeed but Nvidia will get my cash until AMD catch up.
 
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They’re basically stating that they don’t have the skills or plans to enable their hardware to run AI-based tech, which I guess makes sense given how much smaller they are than Nvidia.

I want AMD to succeed but Nvidia will get my cash until AMD catch up.
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That or at least once they realise their position and start pricing their cards properly. None of this waiting for Nvidia to release their prices and undercutting them by $100 nonsense.
 
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Yup, now this news is out Nvidia will be the far rounder-package imo. Just a shame about the vRam...
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But you almost always go top SKU anyway. So makes no difference. Besides, I bet 16gb will become the norm next gen after all the crap they got this gen. Would be about time regardless anyways.
 
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FSR3 is proprietary software, controlled by drivers so only AMD GPUs can use FSR 3. Additionally FSR3 frame generation can generate 1 to 4 fake frames per real frame, unlike DLSS3 which can only generate 1 fake frame - that in theory means FSR3 could increase framerate by 400%, unfortunately that would also created a huge amount of input latency and make the image blurry but the option is there and it looks like the user can control it in the amd driver

wccftech.com

AMD FSR 3 Might Generate Up To 4 Interpolated Frames & Be Enabled On Driver-Side

AMD FSR 3 will be featuring frame generation technology, allowing it to generate up to 4 interpolated frames for each real frame.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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But but but.... what happened to their good nature of letting everyone use it, guess this isn't "free" any more ;) :p :cry: Be interesting to see if it will be limited to rdna 3 only.

Hopefully it is good though as amd need a killer feature but given history, more than likely is going to be a let down in both uptake and quality.
 
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But but but.... what happened to their good nature of letting everyone use it, guess this isn't "free" any more ;) :p :cry: Be interesting to see if it will be limited to rdna 3 only.

Hopefully it is good though as amd need a killer feature but given history, more than likely is going to be a let down in both uptake and quality.
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People easily forget that corporations are after money. They're not your best friend.

The good faith move that they did with FSR helped boost their rep, which was the goal, but don't for a second think that if they had NV's market share that they wouldn't do exactly the same thing.

For the consumer, we just need 2-3 comparable options to help keep a healthy market.
 
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People easily forget that corporations are after money. They're not your best friend.

The good faith move that they did with FSR helped boost their rep, which was the goal, but don't for a second think that if they had NV's market share that they wouldn't do exactly the same thing.

For the consumer, we just need 2-3 comparable options to help keep a healthy market.
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Some seem to forget that.... :)

Personally I think amd have done more harm with their FSR approach, at least for anyone who isn't wearing the rose tinted glasses.... yeah sure, people on older gpus can use it but what's the point when it's crap and the adoption rate for games was sooooo slow to start with, if anything, it has made me think worse of amd especially when they bang on about doing what is best for the devs and gamers and only supporting open source methods but then refuse to support an open source method that would have benefitted everyone :o That and ensuring dlss is removed from any technical sponsored titles of theirs so thereby forcing a large majority of the user base to settle for a considerably worse method.
 
FSR 3 looks to be driver bound, so no FSR 3 for non AMD cards, also no info yet on if this will be locked to RDNA3+ only.


Edit* Seen it's been mentioned lol.

It makes sense, they need a win on their side. If it worked on any card like FSR2.x, then people would just not bother buying an RDNA 3 card because Nvidia's cards are superior in terms of features available in bot consumer and professional space, as well as drivers and support across the board.

With FSR being driver level, this means AMD know that if it's good, then people will jump to AMD for the slightly cheaper pricing vs Nvidia for the higher end cards and benefit from FSR 3, especially if it's inputting a frame ratio between real frame vs Nvidia's single frame insertion. So technically AMD's FSR3 should yield greater framerates than DLSS3's frame gen.

We also don't know what tricks Nvidia has, they could also unlock additional frames in a future driver release that does the same. If AMD can do it via driver alone since they have no dedicated hardware for it, then so can Nvidia and bolster it with the hardware doing all the work.
 
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