Anyone considering a return to SLI?

[AMDPower]

I was seriously considering a second 1080Ti for SLI but from most review there seems only a handful of games that make use of extra card in SLI. I would be nice to add another 1080Ti and get 40-50%% boost in speed but if you are going to do that then its best to just buy 2080TI. This way you might be guaranteed of a speed boost in every game even if its not 50%. I would rather take 25-30% boost in speed across all game than just 40-50% in just a handful of games and lets be honest its never that high of a speed boost.

Its looking like a single 2080Ti most likely cannot do 60fps@4k with Ray tracing, this might be where a second card via Nv link might help. But would you be willing to pay almost £2500 in gfx card to just play at those specifications? Hell no way

two normal RTX2080 look like a nice middle spot if they can do 4k ray tracing at 60frames and almost the same price as the most expensive RTX 2080Ti. But there is a lot of if's and but;s here

lets see what happens.

 

[DarrenM343]

As far as option 1 is concerned, none of us know for sure until Nvidia lift the secret veil. I based the performance estimate on what I have read so far, you've read conflicting accounts (and added your own little exaggerat to.

To be fair, nobody knows for sure. However, if you refer to some of the info posted by even the negative folks, look at the chart from Nvidia in another thread (if not fake), we can deduce that the new Ti could in fact be as much as Paladine said, depending on the game. I'm starting to think we may be in a similar situation to the 10 series. Ie, I think with DLSS put to use the 2070 could be in 1080 Ti territory, 2080, up to 40% faster for the 2080 and whatever else on top of that for the 2080 Ti - I think it'#s a real possibility. Seems like games do need to be more optimised to get the performance from the new cards though so if not then of course the gains are going to be less. Next few weeks will reveal a clearer story anyway.

Note that the new GPU's might be taking a different approach to mGPU's - that story is yet to unfold too (how does NVLink work?)

 

[willhub]

I thought SLi was actually dead in favor of the new tech?

 

[FlyingScotsman]

Your Option 1 is false - everything we have seen officially so far (even on alpha drivers) is showing upto 55% increase in performance not 30%. With release drivers that is likely to increase in double figures.
Your Option 2 is false - I have never seen a 70% increase in performance from SLI - not even where it is supported, often the increase is as low as 20%.

So basically this just seems like another anti-2080 thread *yawn*.

Another anti 2080 thread, what a clown, I have had many SLI setups over the years, and seen some impressive gains, wind your neck in mate.

 

[tommybhoy]

having an understanding of law (which seems to be severely lacking on this forum) I know that if Nvidia's official statements are false they are breaking the law (the FTC Act and various EU consumer laws) so I am more inclined to believe a company that knows the legal consequences from false statements could be very damaging for them (and lead to them being sued by their shareholders) than a bunch of people who seem to lack the very basic principles of objectivity required to even begin to look at this launch in a intelligent and adult fashion.

Putting a lot of blind faith in company shareholders that didn't care about false statements as they benefited from them, EU consumer laws done nothing at all and the FTC didn't pursue Nv about ramgate, Nv settled only in US after a lawsuit-it doesn't get more false than that instance.

Until performance figures land from credible sources that each individual trusts, conjecture springs to mind.

It isn't about anti 20**, it's about anti spending more money than String comfortably needs to.

 

[Skorpion]

I got 2 titan xp's in SLI.

 

[jigger]

At the current price to performance ratio I'm not even considering a single card never mind two and all the problems they bring.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

and having an understanding of law (which seems to be severely lacking on this forum) I know that if Nvidia's official statements are false they are breaking the law (the FTC Act and various EU consumer laws) so I am more inclined to believe a company that knows the legal consequences from false statements could be very damaging for them (and lead to them being sued by their shareholders) than a bunch of people who seem to lack the very basic principles of objectivity required to even begin to look at this launch in a intelligent and adult fashion.

It certainly is a pleasure to converse on the subject with such a learned gentleman.

Look, you're entitled to your opinion but if you want to start condescending then I'll see your legal argument and raise you a GTX 970 with "4GB" of VRAM. The fact is, Nvidia will pull the wool in any direction if they think there's a $ in it.

As for your faith in the 2080ti conventional performance, if it really was as stunning as your legal credentials, Nvidia would be bragging about it. As it stands, they haven't even mentioned it.

 

[FlyingScotsman]

Putting a lot of blind faith in company shareholders that didn't care about false statements as they benefited from them, EU consumer laws done nothing at all and the FTC didn't pursue Nv about ramgate, Nv settled only in US after a lawsuit-it doesn't get more false than that instance.

Until performance figures land from credible sources that each individual trusts, conjecture springs to mind.

It isn't about anti 20**, it's about anti spending more money than String comfortably needs to.

Totally spot on Tommy.

 

[Paladine]

It certainly is a pleasure to converse on the subject with such a learned gentleman.

Look, you're entitled to your opinion but if you want to start condescending then I'll see your legal argument and raise you a GTX 970 with "4GB" of VRAM. The fact is, Nvidia will pull the wool in any direction if they think there's a $ in it.

As for your faith in the 2080ti conventional performance, if it really was as stunning as your legal credentials, Nvidia would be bragging about it. As it stands, they haven't even mentioned it.

If a bunch of pre-orders get returned under distance selling regulations for **** poor performance you can be sure that shareholders will react. With regards to the 4GB fiasco previously - did anyone bother to file a complaint with the FTC or national Regulators or was it simply another case of armchair activists who scream and shout on forums but never actually follow through with real action - I suspect the latter. Having known several Commissioners at the FTC over the years and working Directly with EU Regulators for the past decade - this is usually the case. lots of noise online on forums, reddit etc. with actually no formal complaints being filed with the appropriate bodies.

If you think Nvidia shareholders don't take action when there is a profit write down due to misleading statements from Nvidia - you are wrong:

https://www.cnet.com/news/lawsuit-alleges-nvidia-hid-chip-defects/

It is completely normal for shareholders to sue if a company misrepresents a product which then causes a profit write down.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

did anyone bother to file a complaint with the FTC or national Regulators or was it simply another case of armchair activists who scream and shout on forums but never actually follow through with real action - I suspect the latter.

I didn't bother to do that, but then why would I when I could get a full refund from OcUK? You'll notice there were 2 refunds ... I was running 2 in SLI at the time ...and performance was much better than +20%... until it hit the 3.5GB threshold, then it tanked.

Having known several Commissioners at the FTC over the years and working Directly with EU Regulators for the past decade

Come on mate, have a listen to yourself.

 

[Paladine]

I didn't bother to do that, but then why would I when I could get a full refund from OcUK? You'll notice there were 2 refunds ... I was running 2 in SLI at the time ...and performance was much better than +20%... until it hit the 3.5GB threshold, then it tanked.

Come on mate, have a listen to yourself.

And this is the problem - of course you are entitled to just get a refund but had you filed a formal complaint then there is a strong chance there would have been some regularity enforcement as well.

As for your last comment - my job is my job - I work in the regulatory compliance space and deal with a lot of regulators and this is the typical behaviour we see when it comes to these types of issues, lots of noise online very little if any real action. that is why we call them armchair activists (or web warriors if you prefer).

 

[Kirby Wurm]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...dia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-asus-strix-sli-review

Slightly higher than 20%, don't you think? Of course this won't apply for all games but most of those numbers represent a far bigger improvement.

Personally I won't be bothering with SLI, I nearly did with my GTX 780 (I actually bought a second but got a 970 as an RMA replacement for one and then returned the other) but shortly after I bought the 980 Ti and benefitted from extra memory and consistent performance across all titles.

 

[Paladine]

Aside from everything above - I am interested to see what happens with NVLink. Nvidia have hinted that they are going to revitalise the mGPU scene with NVLink and if that turns out to be true - I would certainly consider going mGPU with 2080Ti's down the road - but it still very much remains to be seen how much support NVLink will receive and how it performs.

 

[scubes]

I never had a problem with my sli 470,s now if the 1080 ti dropped to 500 id get to of them ..

 

[Paladine]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...dia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-asus-strix-sli-review

Slightly higher than 20%, don't you think? Of course this won't apply for all games but most of those numbers represent a far bigger improvement.

Personally I won't be bothering with SLI, I nearly did with my GTX 780 (I actually bought a second but got a 970 as an RMA replacement for one and then returned the other) but shortly after I bought the 980 Ti and benefitted from extra memory and consistent performance across all titles.

Out of the thousands of PC titles available - cherry picking the ones known to be well optimised for SLI doesn't really further the discussion. Myself and many others have had woeful returns from SLI over the years and whereas there is no dispute that *some* games do see a significant improvement, they are in the minority.

 

[BubbySoup]

SLI is dead in the water, as is Crossfire. The situation is only going to get worse as well.

I've had both and got rid of both. Sure, you can cherry pick a handful of games and see amazing returns but at the prices GPU's are now, why anyone would pay that to have a card sat there doing **** a lot of the time is beyond me.

As someone else said, they look great in a case (especially with water blocks on) and that's about it.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I am interested to see what happens with NVLink. Nvidia have hinted that they are going to revitalise the mGPU scene with NVLink and if that turns out to be true - I would certainly consider going mGPU with 2080Ti's down the road

That is an interesting point, although I'd be more interested in mGPU with 2080 or even 2070 as there's no chance I'd drop over 2 grand on a dual GPU setup.

 

[chaparral]

2 or more cards look great in a case thats about it.

Am sure I bought a few SLI setups mainly for that reason...……
It looks even better if there water cooled...

I find my PC case with only one GPU fitted looks empty & boring now...

 

[Paladine]

That is an interesting point, although I'd be more interested in mGPU with 2080 or even 2070 as there's no chance I'd drop over 2 grand on a dual GPU setup.

If the performance is there I would - maybe even three if they release a triple adapter... I expect second hand FE's will be widely available after next shrink which will make it much more affordable.