Anyone else regret buying Vista?

[dirtydog]

Yup, that's the only change in Vista.... you're right...

No idea why I bother to try and have a sensible discussion with you about anything MS related. All you ever do in any MS related post is bash MS no matter what the subject, usually with no reference to the real world.

OK... We get it... You dislike MS.... It's just an OS, use it or don't as suits your needs/preferences but get over it...

I don't dislike, or like, MS; they are just a huge corporation whose primary concern is maximising revenue. I do like Windows XP; it has served me well and continues to serve me well. I am however, very underwhelmed and disappointed with Windows Vista which offers me no compelling reason to 'upgrade'.

 

[Macro]

I don't dislike, or like, MS; they are just a huge corporation whose primary concern is maximising revenue. I do like Windows XP; it has served me well and continues to serve me well. I am however, very underwhelmed and disappointed with Windows Vista which offers me no compelling reason to 'upgrade'.

I was quoting and responding to the-void, there DD, not you

You're right in a lot of ways though. Lets get some perspective here, we're talking about an OS. it's main purpose is to let you do what you need to do, i.e. access applications. It doesn't deliver any real "value" in and of itself. If XP works for you and lets you use the apps you need in a productive way you're absolutely right, there is less need for a new OS.

If there is something specific aboout it that's useful for you then it's a good move, if not then hang on until you need it or have it installed with a new PC.

 

[dirtydog]

I was quoting and responding to the-void, there DD, not you

yeah I know but I just wanted to make the point that being critical of Vista, or its relative (lack of) benefits compared to XP, doesn't make one anti-Microsoft Personally I am indifferent towards them, as a company. I think their greatest problem in getting people to upgrade to Vista is that XP was and is so good.

 

[Macro]

Oh I agree, it's just one or two regular people that pop up in every single MS thread and bash 'em irrespective of the topic that makes for a pointless discussion.

 

[noob]

I will be going back to XP in a week or so, not impressed by it. It crashes more than XP and I'm having problems with some of my games. I'm so glad I didn't have to pay for it.

 

[DataVampire]

A new network and sound stack do not make up an entire operating system. Vista was not a complete re-code. That is just a common misconception.

I would also like to know how people can claim that Vista is a massive and beneficial change for software writers if people have not wrote software for it yet? It might be a right pain in the backside once you stop reading the spec sheet and start getting dirty with code. Don't just beleive the hype.

And DataVampire, why do you justify software companies releasing products that do not work properly. No other industry would get away with it. If you bought a toaster, you wouldn't expect to have to wait for a firmware update to make it brown toast on both sides. If you bought a TV you would expect all the features to work as soon as you got it home, you would not expect to have to wait for a driver to get the contrast, volume and the ability to change screen aspect ratio.

At the very least people should be allowed to claim money back if the product doesn't work. Or does the consumers rights not come into it. Am I going to hear "well, people should know they will have problems". We only put up with "problems" because you hear apologetics saying how its not MS problems. Oh, yeah, must be the consumers for being so thick to allow Software companies to release Beta's as finished products (Look at how many games need updates - not just MS - EVERYONE is at it)

i can jsutify it quite easy, like i have said every single os ms has released has never been finished 100% and im repeating myself yet again, nor has any other os iether, ms cannot predict what hardware vendors will do, all oses depend somwhat on the hardware and software devolopments, i bet you a pound to a penny,everytime they do a new os they consult and ask the main hardware and software devolopers for support in this new venture, they most proberly say, yes we will support you, yes we will guantee we will iether have new hardware or new software. or drivers that will support the new os, does it look like they do, well yes a handfull most proberly do, what im amazed at is the constant ms haters around the forums, yet they continue to use/buy the os, why bother??? no body is perfect evem ms has admitted they are not perfect, any programmng boils down to the human errors, a bug may be spotted by one person and missed by 10 people, and yes they rushed it out, why did they rush it out its realy quite simple, industry presure, i followed the development of vista, in all of the magazines, on various forums web articles, each one while in production said about that it was never going to be released, yes granted they dont realy need to rush it out becuase of competion, lets face it they dont need to do it for that, becuase there is no real competion, bar for liunx, and until they sort out gaming, or rather the gameing devolopment ssort out releasing games to linux properly, there never will be any competion, so like i said i can quite understand ms, and people who moan about them, why on earth did you buy it?? you must have relalised there would be problems, heck we have these conversations every time a new os is released, its been exactly the same for most operating systems ms has released, lol heck even linux distros are rushed out the only difference is this, if vista was free, not many people would complain about it, its just you have to pay for it, not to mention, this as well, most people have a somewaht big knolege of computers otherwise are you using these forums, so my comment to all the complainers is this, you should have known better to buy a operating system so frehs after release, you all knew there would be problems, you all new there would be driver problems, you all knew some games some applications woudl not work so again why on earth did you buy it, most on here had axses to the betas/rtm build, again why did you buy it you all knew, so i think its about time people see things from there side, if presure hadnt of been put on them, they wouldnt of released it yet.


just my opinion no offense intended

 

[DataVampire]

I will be going back to XP in a week or so, not impressed by it. It crashes more than XP and I'm having problems with some of my games. I'm so glad I didn't have to pay for it.

you have jsut had a bad experiance of vista, and your rite it doesnt suit everybody, and the trouble is this, most of the games devolpers/software devolpers/ hardware vendors who create drivers ect have had axses to the various builds ect of vista, thats the anoying thing, yes i understand its hard to devolop fixes patches new drivers ect, but they all new this ms made several speeches to them explaining the new driver model ect, they are trying to imrove the os market.its its not jsut microsofts fualt, most of the probs, from what i can see, its mainly paople with older spec computers thats having problems with vista, i could be wrong, but thats what im seeing on a few forums, and is it microsoft driving new cpus.motherboards software ect no, its the common people driving and striving for a beter computer enviroment, look at it this way, it can only get better for uss the end users

 

[the-void]

so my comment to all the complainers is this, you should have known better to buy a operating system so frehs after release, you all knew there would be problems, you all new there would be driver problems, you all knew some games some applications woudl not work so again why on earth did you buy it

What are you talking about? Since when is it the consumers fault for buying something that was not ready on release? We are we not entitled to complain? We got told "oh, its beta, thats why it doesn't work", and now you are saying we cannot complain because "oh, you bought it early". I didn't buy it Early. I bought it when it was released, not before. Of course I am entitled to complain if it doesn't work.

Funnily enough Vista works perfect on my machine. Yet even if it didn't, it doesnt give you the right to be patronising. Perhaps instead of asking the consumer to see if from the point of a large multinational corporation that makes huge profits, you should see if from the point of a consumer who spent a tidy sum of money on something that may not work properly on their machine and they are not entitled to any money back because "they shouldn't have bought it so early"

 

[clv101]

i can jsutify it quite easy, like i have said every single os ms has released has never been finished 100% and im repeating myself yet again, nor has any other os iether, ms cannot predict what hardware vendors will do, all oses depend somwhat on the hardware and software devolopments, i bet you a pound to a penny,everytime they do a new os they consult and ask the main hardware and software devolopers for support in this new venture, they most proberly say, yes we will support you, yes we will guantee we will iether have new hardware or new software. or drivers that will support the new os, does it look like they do, well yes a handfull most proberly do, what im amazed at is the constant ms haters around the forums, yet they continue to use/buy the os, why bother??? no body is perfect evem ms has admitted they are not perfect, any programmng boils down to the human errors, a bug may be spotted by one person and missed by 10 people, and yes they rushed it out, why did they rush it out its realy quite simple, industry presure, i followed the development of vista, in all of the magazines, on various forums web articles, each one while in production said about that it was never going to be released, yes granted they dont realy need to rush it out becuase of competion, lets face it they dont need to do it for that, becuase there is no real competion, bar for liunx, and until they sort out gaming, or rather the gameing devolopment ssort out releasing games to linux properly, there never will be any competion, so like i said i can quite understand ms, and people who moan about them, why on earth did you buy it?? you must have relalised there would be problems, heck we have these conversations every time a new os is released, its been exactly the same for most operating systems ms has released, lol heck even linux distros are rushed out the only difference is this, if vista was free, not many people would complain about it, its just you have to pay for it, not to mention, this as well, most people have a somewaht big knolege of computers otherwise are you using these forums, so my comment to all the complainers is this, you should have known better to buy a operating system so frehs after release, you all knew there would be problems, you all new there would be driver problems, you all knew some games some applications woudl not work so again why on earth did you buy it, most on here had axses to the betas/rtm build, again why did you buy it you all knew, so i think its about time people see things from there side, if presure hadnt of been put on them, they wouldnt of released it yet.


just my opinion no offense intended

Wooh there - Capital letters? Full stops? Paragraphs? Do you really expect us to be able to read that?

 

[DataVampire]

What are you talking about? Since when is it the consumers fault for buying something that was not ready on release? We are we not entitled to complain? We got told "oh, its beta, thats why it doesn't work", and now you are saying we cannot complain because "oh, you bought it early". I didn't buy it Early. I bought it when it was released, not before. Of course I am entitled to complain if it doesn't work.

Funnily enough Vista works perfect on my machine. Yet even if it didn't, it doesnt give you the right to be patronising. Perhaps instead of asking the consumer to see if from the point of a large multinational corporation that makes huge profits, you should see if from the point of a consumer who spent a tidy sum of money on something that may not work properly on their machine and they are not entitled to any money back because "they shouldn't have bought it so early"

sorry if you think im patronising you , dont mean to but i feal your missing the point here, most of the problems people are having are not down to ms, its down to the hardware venders ie biols down to drivers ect, and thats genralising, yes the odd person has had other problems granted, but the pople who frequent these forums, are not idiots nor would i try to imply that, they know as i hope you do, that no os no os ever released has been finished and 100% ready, thats the gamble you take, and your rite its not rite, what can we do nothing realy dont buy it, move on or stay with your current os, why on earth do you think ms releases betas to the public, its so more bugs problems can be found fixed ect, or made aware of, how many people who actualy ran the beta actualy turned aorund and reported problems, filled in bug reports ect, a fair amount , but not as many as actualy signed up downlaoded it and activated it, its not pefect, my experiance has been good so far granted osme of my games i was running on vista, a few programs i was using wont know work, but thats my fualt i knew this would be case, i cannot blame ms for that, its my fualt, and as for your comment about money back,, if you bought a tv, got it home opened the box and it didnt switch channels fast enough, or the the colours was slightly off the picture was not what you expected it to be, you could not take it back and ask for a refund based on that, consumer law is a dodgy area, and whos fault is that, not to mention if you worked in the tv industry you would still see similar problems as ms have, jsut they are not advertised, lets face it as long as the tv works, and all featuers work who cares,computers is a very differnet ball game, it must be hard trying to make something that will work on most systems systems, most and i siay most computers are different, different hardware inside, it must be a mind field ect i wouldnt want that job would you ??

 

[dirtydog]

Wooh there - Capital letters? Full stops? Paragraphs? Do you really expect us to be able to read that?

Seconded

 

[the-void]

but i feal your missing the point here,

Likewise. I understand the complexities of producing an Operating System that works with all current and future hardware. However, I do feel there should be some recompense if the operating system does not work on your machine. You cannot lay the blame on your consumers for an unfinished product and expect them to shut up because

a) They should know better.
b) They shouldn't buy their products early
c) It's their own fault
d) That's the way it is.
e) Duh, are you just thick.

I would not expect to buy a car from Ford and not have the stereo work, or the windscreen wipers, or the seats not recline. I would not expect Ford to wash their hands of it and say "well, if you wait xxx amount of time they will work, its just that company yyy made those devices and not us so we are not responsible thank you very much". Or "did you not test drive our Beta's. Did you not read obscure and technical forums, it was discussed there, didn't you know "

I don't get you DataVampire. If your prepared to put up with incomplete software that needs patches and fixes to get it to work, fine. Don't expect others to, and don't expect your general consumer to put up with either. I wouldn't expect my grandad, my sister, or my parents to know what will work with Vista or not. And why on Earth should they have to know this.

(BTW, if the delay in switching channels on my new TV was considerable, or the picture quality was not as I was lead to beleive - I would be taking it back to the shop, and no amount of company policy would deter me from exercising my statutory rights)

 

[Johnny|lucidcomposure]

The simple fact is Vista isnt complete.

And its crap aswel. In the sheer time scale of things you'd expect things to look a lot better than they are. Its XP GTi thats all.

Toyota MR2 with a Ferrari F40 Body shell.

 

[DataVampire]

The simple fact is Vista isnt complete.

And its crap aswel. In the sheer time scale of things you'd expect things to look a lot better than they are. Its XP GTi thats all.

Toyota MR2 with a Ferrari F40 Body shell.

Thats a novel way of putting it, The truth of the matter is this.

A) no one here actualy knows how finished it is, only the core developers know this.
b) If you dont like it, It realy is this simple dont use it yet go back to windows xp pro, wich is far from perfect and had the same problems critisisms when that was released, Im not saying it is perfect, im jsut saying my experiance hasnt been as bad as some here.
Put it up in a nice safe place then wait for service pack 1 or a majour update, granted you did not have to go and rush out and get it, it was your choice, carry on using xp. problem solved.
B) I do fully understand that because you bought it you feel it should be more polished ect or you feal it isnt finished. all i know is the parts of vista i have used do work, and i also feel some of the blame needs to be shifted to the hardware/software/games people not just microsoft.

EDIT: i cannot also believe given microsofts track record you would actualy think it would be released finished iether, name one os that has ever been released that was fully finished worked perfectly?

 

[the-void]

Thats a novel way of putting it, The truth of the matter is this.

A) no one here actualy knows how finished it is, only the core developers know this.
b) If you dont like it, It realy is this simple dont use it yet go back to windows xp pro, wich is far from perfect and had the same problems critisisms when that was released, Im not saying it is perfect, im jsut saying my experiance hasnt been as bad as some here.
Put it up in a nice safe place then wait for service pack 1 or a majour update, granted you did not have to go and rush out and get it, it was your choice, carry on using xp. problem solved.
B) I do fully understand that because you bought it you feel it should be more polished ect or you feal it isnt finished. all i know is the parts of vista i have used do work, and i also feel some of the blame needs to be shifted to the hardware/software/games people not just microsoft.

EDIT: i cannot also believe given microsofts track record you would actualy think it would be released finished iether, name one os that has ever been released that was fully finished worked perfectly?

a) Of course we know how unfinished it is. Are you actually aware what is being added by SP1.

b) There is no need to be patronising to people by asking them to put it in a nice safe place. Going back to XP isn't "solving the problem" of Vista being unfinished. How can you criticise someone for 'rushing out' and buying Vista when you yourself admit on point a) that you have no idea how finished Vista is? Let's not forget if its on the shelf - it should be ready, customers should not think "oh, best wait - because its not finished yet" - otherwise you wil find Ballmer will be blaming the pirates again.

c) Why should the blame be shifted away from Microsoft? It is their product, and lets not forget the hardware that doesn't work with vista existed well before Vista came out. The major selling point of Windows is that it works with a wide range of existing hardware.

Considering MS wants to maximise its potential sales, don't you think their is a conflict of interest from what failures their Upgrade Compatibility Application will report and the actual failures that Vista will report.

More to the point, answer me why you cannot get your money back from Microsoft if your machine passes the upgrade test, but refuses to boot into Vista?

 

[Johnny|lucidcomposure]

Thats a novel way of putting it, The truth of the matter is this.

A) no one here actualy knows how finished it is, only the core developers know this.
b) If you dont like it, It realy is this simple dont use it yet go back to windows xp pro, wich is far from perfect and had the same problems critisisms when that was released, Im not saying it is perfect, im jsut saying my experiance hasnt been as bad as some here.
Put it up in a nice safe place then wait for service pack 1 or a majour update, granted you did not have to go and rush out and get it, it was your choice, carry on using xp. problem solved.
B) I do fully understand that because you bought it you feel it should be more polished ect or you feal it isnt finished. all i know is the parts of vista i have used do work, and i also feel some of the blame needs to be shifted to the hardware/software/games people not just microsoft.

EDIT: i cannot also believe given microsofts track record you would actualy think it would be released finished iether, name one os that has ever been released that was fully finished worked perfectly?

I havent bought it mate. I dont intend to for about a year and even then I might not.

Im moving over to OS X. Microsoft simply dont do the basics that people require and thats ease and stability.

100s of billions go into crap that everyone wants off their machine when they first install. Its ugly, it needs activating which is a pain.

Companies should only incorporate activating when they assume a product will not be re installed every other month due to it getting corrupted. Microsoft should be the last people doing this!

Put it in a safe place? Why, are they going to be worth something one day? The only remedy for this is a full product refund but they wont ever do that.

Its unfinished, XP is still unfinished.

 

[DataVampire]

I havent bought it mate. I dont intend to for about a year and even then I might not.

Im moving over to OS X. Microsoft simply dont do the basics that people require and thats ease and stability.

100s of billions go into crap that everyone wants off their machine when they first install. Its ugly, it needs activating which is a pain.

Companies should only incorporate activating when they assume a product will not be re installed every other month due to it getting corrupted. Microsoft should be the last people doing this!

Put it in a safe place? Why, are they going to be worth something one day? The only remedy for this is a full product refund but they wont ever do that.

Its unfinished, XP is still unfinished.

The reason why i said put it up safe was becuase , if like me you are buying a few hardware products ect i ofotn put the driver os cds up thinking they ar e in a safe place, when i come to need them, i find i can remember wher ei put them, perhaps its jsut me, but yes i agree wiht what you say, but then apples os isnt perfect iether, just less people have it so not so many comments ect about it.

And your rite about the activation, that is a real pain in the ass, but then havent they got the rite to protect there products,im not to worried about it as ihave bought it so a simple button click or spending time on the phone is no hardship realy. Again its a personal thing.

Your also correct in saying they woudl not give out a refund iether, But is that only becuase no one has challenged them in court i wonder, who has the money to challenge them in court ?
As for the ugly comment how on earth can you say that, its the best looking microsoft operating system to date. And yes they most proberly pinched some ideas of the max os granted.

And you have actualy thought before you bought it, Now that makes a refreshing change, some peeps jsut dived in and bought it, You obviously thought of hardware/software/driver problems.

 

[Johnny|lucidcomposure]

Im saying its ugly coz non of Microsofts OS's are pretty. The only reason mines anything near attractive is coz I have had to chop it and used 3rd party software and my own backgrounds, fonts and icons to make it look nice.

Its ugly, anyone who thinks its attractive might want to take a week to look around an art gallery.

Im not arguing with you because a piece of software isnt worth getting angry about.

By personal choice, I hate microsoft software solutions because they have caused me so much loss in my many years of putting up with them.

 

[DataVampire]

Im saying its ugly coz non of Microsofts OS's are pretty. The only reason mines anything near attractive is coz I have had to chop it and used 3rd party software and my own backgrounds, fonts and icons to make it look nice.

Its ugly, anyone who thinks its attractive might want to take a week to look around an art gallery.

Im not arguing with you because a piece of software isnt worth getting angry about.

By personal choice, I hate microsoft software solutions because they have caused me so much loss in my many years of putting up with them.

Well when i was using xp i used to use near on the entire suit of stardok programs, vista have somewhat taken care of most of this,s ince they helped , icons desktop wallpaper can e changed, infact more on this os can be changed. the only thing i have ever liked about macs is the way the os looks out of the box, but then its nothing that cannot be donr in most oses nowadays lol.

And you correct about arguing over software , just not worth it its you iethe r like it or hate it.
Btw do you own that camera, nice piece of kit if not ugly looking i used to own the eos 350 d, no where near up to what that one does, but still mazing pics lol.

 

[Johnny|lucidcomposure]

I will own it by sometime this year. I have the 30D at the moment. Its the Semi Pro model.