To turn it on its head, there's no point spending the money on a qualification if he can't get in the door anyway.
He's been running a store, not stacking shelves. Let's avoid the put-downs, please.
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To turn it on its head, there's no point spending the money on a qualification if he can't get in the door anyway.
He's been running a store, not stacking shelves. Let's avoid the put-downs, please.
Not to be pedantic, but I hate it when I hear "wants to work in IT". Does that mean:
* Technical support
* Technical pre-sales
* Installation / on-site engineer
* Software developer
* Software development management
* QA
* and more..
What area does he want to get involved in? Everyone is assuming support from the CompTIA, but he needs to understand that support isnt the 'first rung of the ladder' - there are other ways to get a job working with 'IT'.
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Sam
* Technical support
* Technical pre-sales
* Installation / on-site engineer
* Software developer
* Software development management
* QA
* and more..
What area does he want to get involved in? Everyone is assuming support from the CompTIA, but he needs to understand that support isnt the 'first rung of the ladder' - there are other ways to get a job working with 'IT'.
Cheers,
Sam
It's very broad stroke at the moment.
He wants out of retail, I don't think he really cares into what IT area. He just wants to have the options.
Asking someone who isn't in the industry what path they want to take when they have no information to make that conclusion is also a little unfair.
I may aswell be asking you what last meal you want, when you've not tried anything on the menu. You've got no basis to make an informed choice.
What he wants is a chance in the industry. Bye bye retail, hello IT. That's it.
I see what pitchfork is saying, although it could be put into more encouraging words
You know me, ever the optimist.
I'm just trying to get across the impact of this, the guy would be lucky to get 1st line support currently. He needs to train, the fact he's ended up in an unskilled job after his degree leads me to believe his degree wasn't exactly a good one.
I got a job as a software engineer paying £100 per day during my 2nd year at uni studying Comp Sci, without any official qualifications other than an A level in Comp Sci and some Oracle SQL and Java programming certificate crap I managed to get a decent paying job, it's all about who you know.
He's been working through a textbook since the beginning of the year. He's very much working towards it, but is doubting if there's any point in persevering. The exam costs are something he cannot afford if they won't open doors anyway.
I'd say he's about 60% way there. Re-reading the book again. Not quite comfortable enough to sit the exams yet.
You still haven't answered my question about which degre, which grade and which university.
yes, some people get some positions without any degree - mainly they have experience derived by other means.
For a vast majority of people the undergrad degree will be extremely important in getting a job.
Honestly, DP. I'm ignoring it because I'm tired of the elitist attitude of this forum when it comes to education.
It's a 2.2 social-science from a lower-tier, if that makes you feel better about yourself.
Obviously, that means he's not good enough to do anything but clean toilet bowls or wilt away in retail, right?
We've both seen threads on this topic 100x and this isn't what he needs right now.
Back to the topic at hand: if anyone has any opportunities, I would really appreciate if you could let them be known so I can help point him in the right direction. Everything else is inconsequential right now.
Ok then, as above I think it would be a good idea for him to have a think about which areas he is most interested in and complete the relevant qualification for that area. That will demonstrate to potential employers that he has direction and has the drive to self improve.
Anyone can claim to be 60% of the way through a textbook. If for whatever reason it's not possible to have it completed, then I'd want to see that the exam is booked and that it would be passed by a certain date (for example 6 months from starting in the new role). If this means dropping a few hundred quid on booking the exam is it not worthwhile to land the new role?
The more I think about it, it might be best to take Maccy up on his offer because it seems like his company will employ anyone (lol
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Yup, my old company hired me as a Trainee and I got 26k starting off then moved into contracting for 4 ish years. so definitely places out there.
I wouldn't recommend anyone working there though, felt more like a call center with them complaining about STATS all the time.
I'd watch what you say grimm. We wouldn't employ someone called Peter from Manchester, that's for sure
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I'm sure he'll get it done much faster if he had the impetus for it. If an employer said "get it and we'll take you on," he'd book the exam in a heartbeat. He's just become very disheartened if it's a worthwhile path with all the knock-backs he's been getting.
The guy just needs a break.
You're getting a bit touchy re DPs question when it was fairly reasonable. He is going to struggle with something like that as it isn't particularly relevant... a 2.1 in a generic subject would be better as it allows a shot at some grad schemes. I'd look at emphasising the management experience. If he hates his current role then short term why not look to move to another employer within retail? I think just doing a very basic IT qual and jumping into one of these 1st line roles could also be potentially soul destroying (grass is always greener etc...). Maybe aim higher - look at a masters, some are conversion courses aimed at general graduates... distance learning/evening classes.... then leverage the people management experience and look at project management roles etc....
Lets just hope your friend doesn't have the same attitude problem as you do then.
Having a degree is the most common and normal way of landing employment. At the moment that is the highest qualification that your friend has, and is far more valuable than most certificates, especially those that haven't been awarded yet!
Secondly, you say your friend doesn't knwo what area of IT to work in because he doesn't about the IT industry since he hasn't worked in it. He needs to be very sure he is not jumping from the frying pan into the fire with such a blind move. sounds like he needs to do much more research on what the different fields involve and what is required to land a job there.
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Good luck with that buddy!
Do you think an interviewer isn't going to consider the subject, class and institution of your friend's degree, if that's his highest qualification and he intends it to count for anything? Attitude and willingness to learn counts for a lot, I grant you, but you can be damn sure that any interviewer considering your friend for an IT position is going to ask:
- why he wants the job;
- what qualifies him for the job;
- whether he'll stay in the job if (when) he discovers that he actually hates resetting passwords and fixing printers.
^ Good advice. Put your friend in touch right now.