I'm 99% sure i'll be getting the confirmation in the meeting i'm having next week. To be fair my role hasn't disappeared its purely a monetry thing, I'd like to make it as painfull as possible for them simply because i've been employeed there less than 6 months!
Anyone here been made redundant?
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DHR said:
Erm, you've been there 6 months, its not like you have put years of your hard work into the company and they are "thanking" you by giving you the chop.
In terms of actual payout and benefits from being made redundant, i'd doubt you have much of a leg to stand on having been there for such a short space of time.
Personally (and having been in a position of expecting redundancy a few months ago), I'd have started looking for a new job as soon as the possbility of redundancy came up, and taken it on the chin. If they are struggling for money, and cutting back staffing numbers, they will of course try their best to get rid of people who will cost them less to do so, smaller/no-payout = cheaper than large payout.
Sorry, but just take it on the chin, be greatful for your time there, and try to move on as best you can. Don't be vindictive.
Soldato
pretty sure that's the case.
Time to get on yer bike and get another job pronto!!
Time to get on yer bike and get another job pronto!!
I think i overstated the painfull part. I simply want justification for why they decided to take me on 5 months ago in a perminant role which is business critical. They've known before hand that i wouldn't be there in 6 months, the recruiter i was in touch with AFTER i'd been working there for 2 months let slip that the role had originally been advertised as a contract job, but they'd changed their minds!!!
I could have been working on a contract and earning 50% more over the past 5 months.
I could have been working on a contract and earning 50% more over the past 5 months.
Caporegime
Well I'd say that is also pretty straight forward, a company struggling for money, that has a role to fill, will fill it the cheapest way possible. Whilst it was possibly un-ethical of them to take someone on "permanently" for a role that they were aware may not exist in 7 months time, that would assume that they were 100% confident that you wouldn't be there in 7 months time, I doubt this is the case.
What was your evaluation/probation period by the way?
What was your evaluation/probation period by the way?
It was 3 months, thats whats annoyed me. If things have changed that much for them i wished they'd have turned around and said that things were going bad, that they were happy with me but there was a high chance of me being made redundant within 6 months.
Caporegime
They can't do that though, there are proper channels and procedures that they as an employer HAVE to follow, otherwise they are liable for unfair dismissal and lots of other charges to be brought against them.
They will have informed you in a timely manner, in a way that has been laid out by legislation as being fair. Unless you can prove otherwise then as said before, just take it on the chin.
Don't burn your bridges.
They will have informed you in a timely manner, in a way that has been laid out by legislation as being fair. Unless you can prove otherwise then as said before, just take it on the chin.
Don't burn your bridges.
Man of Honour
Less than 2 years and you don't have a leg to stand on.
All you are entitled to is the weeks pay you worked in lieu and anything that they may want to throw in.
DTI Redundancy Calculator - http://www.dti.gov.uk/employment/employment-legislation/employment-guidance/page33157.html
Later this year I'm being made redundant from a job I've done for 27 years - now thats bad.
All you are entitled to is the weeks pay you worked in lieu and anything that they may want to throw in.
DTI Redundancy Calculator - http://www.dti.gov.uk/employment/employment-legislation/employment-guidance/page33157.html
Later this year I'm being made redundant from a job I've done for 27 years - now thats bad.
DHR said:
They cant do that then, redundancy has to be when the job is no longer available. You can't make the person redundant if the role still exists.
They can change the job role and offer less money but then they have to offer you either redundancy pay and alternative employement.
Caporegime
dirtydog said:
I wasn't implying that his case was related to unfair dismissal, just that redundancy procedure as a whole (in general, not just in this case) has to be followed correctly for any employee, otherwise charges of unfair dismissal et al can be brought against the company.
I know he doesnt have a leg to stand on here
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dmpoole said:
Same with my dad...the company is closing the factory here and in bath because of money problems but have sold the land in bath for £20m and are buying the main competitor!
So the union got involved and its something like £400 odd for every year worked between 21-40 and £600 odd for any years worked over 40.
My dads been in the place 25 odd years and is 46 so would get a nice payout unless the company in looking at the place buys it up.
Being there for 6months you will get very little i would imagine.
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Jonny ///M said:
That means he is entitled to 22.5 x a max of £310.
He's done 25 years but is only allowed 20 years.
He gets 0.5 for every year past the age of 41 which equals another 2.5 years.
Of course if the company want to enhance it they can do but they're under no obligation to do so.
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dmpoole said:
They gave the offer of just above the governments set rate......all turned it down as the union said they would fight for it with the excuse "we wont loose you any money but we might get you more" so they offered £400 odd up to 40 and for the over 41s its £650 i think. All 250 people in bath accepted this so thats what they all got.
It helps a lot of the older workers like my dads uncle who is 63 and worked there for god knows how long! The letters are lying somewhere with the correct figures but i cant find them lol.
They are also being paid upto november,are getting paid 12 hour shift money + the 3 hours they have to go in until they are told the place is actually shut and some other notice money or something.
My dad wont get redundancy money if this new company comes in,keeps in the not so old staff and cuts staff numbers will he?
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Jonny ///M said:
He should do.
If a new company comes in they will buy his contract and will have to deal with him the same as the old company.
Soldato
I was made redundant in May this year, I'd been in the job since 2002... However, I left in Nov 2006, came back in Feb 2007, redundant May 2007.
The company decided to restructure, and 75 reps across the country lost their jobs.
I got £0.
I'd have got about £3000+ tax free if I hadnt left originally
Was painful watching colleagues around me, who i'd overall been with the company longer, yet they were getting payouts, and I wasnt.
Annoying but thats how it is I guess, I left originally, mistake, but there you go.
They will also say they will help you find other jobs etc.
I'll be honest, they did NOTHING, in fact, they didn't even have the decency to phone me on the day I was leaving.
Cut your losses and go, you won't get any money at all if you've been with them less than 1 year.
The company decided to restructure, and 75 reps across the country lost their jobs.
I got £0.
I'd have got about £3000+ tax free if I hadnt left originally
Was painful watching colleagues around me, who i'd overall been with the company longer, yet they were getting payouts, and I wasnt.
Annoying but thats how it is I guess, I left originally, mistake, but there you go.
They will also say they will help you find other jobs etc.
I'll be honest, they did NOTHING, in fact, they didn't even have the decency to phone me on the day I was leaving.
Cut your losses and go, you won't get any money at all if you've been with them less than 1 year.