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Anything better likely from A10 cpu's?

I haven't heard of mrstweaker.

I had a quick play of Borderlands 2 with the physics on and that seemed sweet & smooth, no problems.
I've also got my CPU undervoltaged, it's crammed into a Milo case with a chopped cooler and a Corsair SP120 blow away from the APU (up), when I had it blowing down in a traditional sense it just made the box too warm.
 
Well... all has been well upto now, with one exception. I am just trying out Windows 10 preview, and even using AmdMSRTweaker it 'seems' to be throttling the CPU even on desktop to 3500Mhz for some reason. (normally it would throttle to 3000mhz if it was running the gpu without using the tweaker - essentially it's dropping 1ghz off the clock for some reason in W10, but not in 8.1).

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I'm running this (Ignore the voltages btw... this is not what mine actually are.) Unless there is another power state I'm setting all of these just fine, I wonder why W10 is allowing the throttle.
 
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Hi guys,

Would it be possible to build a £250 rig with an AMD APU? If it can run games at medium quality, 720p and ideally some ligth antialiasing, that would be great.

I know most of you have the best a10 model, but I don't know how cheaper models compare to it.

Thanks
 
khodos said:
Hi guys,

Would it be possible to build a £250 rig with an AMD APU? If it can run games at medium quality, 720p and ideally some ligth antialiasing, that would be great.

I know most of you have the best a10 model, but I don't know how cheaper models compare to it.

Thanks
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The one thing you can't skimp on (if you're using the iGPU) is fast memory, to get the best out of these you really need 2400mhz RAM

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-382-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=2549

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-061-TG&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=2549

A lot cheaper than what I paid! :eek:
 
You'll do better just buying used tbh, I went with an APU two years ago for my (other country) home PC because it was my only option at the time and even with 2400mhz RAM it's meh (not even DotA 2 can keep good FPS/quality). You can find cheap beefy GPUs for <50 so I see no reason to go for an APU besides liking the simplicity of not having a GPU.
 
I find it more than acceptable performance wise. I use AMDMstTweaker to stop is throttling the CPU when also using the GPU, and run overclocked at either 4.4/4.5Ghz and 1028Mhz on the GPU (2GB assigned memory to GPU). I get acceptable play on medium from Planetside 2 which is no mean feat for a really CPU intensive game. I also play BF4 just great, dirt 3. The only game I've found so far that I thought was kind of unacceptable was Crysis 3, that game just needs a little more graphics grunt unfortunately.

If you want more than 1650*1050 gaming, and I would probably go with a dedicated card though and a better processor.
 
Scougar said:
I find it more than acceptable performance wise. I use AMDMstTweaker to stop is throttling the CPU when also using the GPU, and run overclocked at either 4.4/4.5Ghz and 1028Mhz on the GPU (2GB assigned memory to GPU). I get acceptable play on medium from Planetside 2 which is no mean feat for a really CPU intensive game. I also play BF4 just great, dirt 3. The only game I've found so far that I thought was kind of unacceptable was Crysis 3, that game just needs a little more graphics grunt unfortunately.

If you want more than 1650*1050 gaming, and I would probably go with a dedicated card though and a better processor.
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How did you assign 2Gb to your GPU?
 
My option wasn't obvious I seem to remember. I think I had to say that I wanted the integrated gpu to be the primary adaptor rather than leaving it auto. Then I think there was another option to 'force' or something, and then the memory options appeared. It might be a similar situation on your board.
 
Finally worked out my throttling issue in Win 10, in that AMDMsrTweaker doesn't actually work in Windows 10. For some reason it is not adjusting the P states like it does in W8/8.1 etc :-(

Need to figure out why though.
 
Scougar said:
Finally worked out my throttling issue in Win 10, in that AMDMsrTweaker doesn't actually work in Windows 10. For some reason it is not adjusting the P states like it does in W8/8.1 etc :-(

Need to figure out why though.
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Bugger! Just updated to Windows 10 the other night.
Haven't actually used msrtweaker since the update, but guess I'll be having the same problem.
 
I put W10 on my SSD and kept 8.1 on my HDD, so I could try it out. Most things seem to work, and I was told (by the upgrade software) Asus AI Suite would not work but it does.

Just odd with the throttling. The throttling is actually different than it is meant to be as well for the chip. In W10 it is throttling 1ghz from your top speed even without using the iGPU, rather than it throttling only under heavy load with the iGPU to 3ghz. So if in W10 your clock is set at 4400Mhz, it throttles o 3400Mhz, where as in w7/8/8.1 it throttles down to 3000mhz due to the power states, but obviously the tweaker removes that issue in w7/8/8.1.

Obviously having it throttling really sucks for games like Planetside2 where you need all the CPU power you can get.

Maybe it's something as simple as chipset drivers not being correct, I don't know... but it may prevent me from upgrading to W10 if I can't figure it out. I might have to try and pull AMDMsrTweaker apart (with the authors consent) and see what is the issue.
 
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Hopefully it'll get an update for Windows 10, and uploaded, as I'm not clever enough to do anything like that myself!
I'm away for the weekend, but will test on Sunday to see if I have the same issue.
 
I just updated my bios just in case it was that (3 new versions have been released in a month!) When I get time today I will check throttling again. From there I will see about any new chipset drivers etc.
 
Trying for a higher overclock. Tried 4600Mhz on the CPU and it look great... but then froze the machine at desktop whilst typing a forum post lol.

Decided to try some other things instead, and going to try and focus on GPU, Northbridge and Memory for a little while.

Currently running 4500Mhz (4400 is stable base point), and gone from 1600Mhz on the NB to 2000Mhz to see how it does.

Update: Gotta be honest.... adding 400mhz extra to the northbridge appeared to do nothing lol.

Update 2: So I think I figured out which is the NB/GPU voltage so running 1107Mhz on the GPU now. 'Seems' stable with 1.312v on the NB vs 1.2875 that was there before. I may try and reduce that slightly. Have gained a small speed boost on graphics.
 
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OK, so did a sanity check with AmdMSRTweaker and went to the command prompt with it. Immediately realized because I was booting from my SSD but I was running the file from the HDD that I have Win 8.1 on, that the drive reference was from (was mapped to C instead of D). D'oh.

Anyway.. so that is really good news that it works in W10, this was a major bummer from me when I thought it didn't work. Very much looking forward to full on W10 now with my no-throttle 4.5Ghz APU.
 
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