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Anything coming to replace 8700k?
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I just bought an 8700K, therefore I will not be looking at CPU advancements for another three or four years to protect my finances 
Having a quick look over these threads though, the feeling seems to be that if AMD beat the 8700K in performance (and/or performance/price) with their Ryzen release (in a few days time) then Intel may respond with something new to regain top spot.
That appears to be the sentiment anyhow... I might have waited but my 4770K build developed issues so I decided to upgrade quickly.
Having a quick look over these threads though, the feeling seems to be that if AMD beat the 8700K in performance (and/or performance/price) with their Ryzen release (in a few days time) then Intel may respond with something new to regain top spot.
That appears to be the sentiment anyhow... I might have waited but my 4770K build developed issues so I decided to upgrade quickly.
Rumours are that Intel will release an 8c/16t replacement and (yet) another new chipset, Z390, later this year. Who knows if this'll actually happen, or if it'll actually be better than the i7-8700K (since it'll probably clock less due to heat output).
I just simply don't see how they can. 8 intel cores 16 threads will be so freaking hot lol. with their cheap TIM I forsee throttling at stock speeds.
Also 8700K is still selling well, they don't need to release 8 cores mainstream. Gamers are still buying Intel on the whole. Ryzen "2" wont match the IPC in games. fact.
I'm probably getting the 2700x, just out of principle of Intel having security problems and overcharging along with not soldering, 2700x should be faster in multithreaded stuff while being within 10% in games. Wait and see what the 2700x can do with overclocking before commiting though, Ryzen always seems to be clocked with little room to breathe.
8600k's seem ok, but 8700k's lots of reports of delid's been needed to reliably run at high voltages (1.35+).
However since 90% of people active on tech forums seem to only care about i7's and most of the reviews focused on i7's yes CL now has a rep for needing a delid to hit decent clocks.
But it seems without HTT the temps are far more manageable, I could hit 1.38v on my chip and temps were fine with no delid, but its an 8600k not a 8700k. Also my 8600k at 4.8ghz runs cooler than my 4670k at 4.3ghz albeit diff coolers, but same case.
I have read that the next intel chip will be on a fab thats going to be harder to hit high clocks, and if on top of that it has 8 cores vs 6, then it doesnt bode well for per core performance I reckon. Intel need to decide if they making a consumer chip good for gaming or a cinebench ego chip.
For the HTT lovers out there, is some bad news, a new exploit has been discovered, hardware related, and its linked to HTT (related to lack of isolation of data between virtual cores), yet to hit mainstream news. No idea if it also affects AMD's logical threading.
I'd be inclined to agree but Intel seem to like to stick to a new generation once a year, regardless of how little the difference is (e.g. Kaby Lake). Whether the next release will include an 8 core chip depends on when it is. If it's this year, it's less likely since they don't need it. If they're going to wait until at least March 2019 then they'll have a better idea if AMD's 7 nm chips can compete on GHz or not, and retaliate.
Gaming won't alter their release schedule at all. Why would it when it's such a small percentage of total sales. Bearing in mind the majority of buyers won't get the large overclock advantage as they spec for reliability, if you look at the multi threaded performance and value there's reason for some concern.
If you're a company after 50+ work stations where the priority is multithreaded performance and price and you have no affiliation with either company in any way, ryzen is starting to look like a more serious option.
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But intel already do 8 core, 10 core , 12 core, 16 core , 18 core cpu's
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Not very affordable though, they are all in the HEDT bracket which are not really going to be mainstream platforms due to complexity and cost.
Ye, meantime AMD's done ok with cores, reasonable speeds, better price... it's going to start appearing in corporate thinking. Not my direction but still, be good to see AMD do well and get some sales that side. Fingers crossed there's no repeats there...
the whole selling point of the mainstream i7 is gaming i7 6700k/7700k/8700k. no need for anything else to top in mainstream because they already ahead of ryzen. you dont put out even faster yet you save it a little while then those on a 8700k may even upgrade along with others.pretty simple.gaming is huge.
agree they all gaming orientated chips, and i5 K series also gaming.
People working in offices, wont be buying K series chips, probably i3s or low i5s. For AMD they would perhaps target R3 and R5 chips. R3 has no logical threads, so would be 4 threads total which is absolutely fine for a typical office worker or casual home user.
Its a pretty simplistic view that if you have say 5 apps running then you need 5 cpu threads for best performance, not the case, cpu's are not always busy, they spend a lot of time idle, and the faster the performance per core gets the more time they spend idle.
People like my dad, my sister, my friend who buys computers for his offices will be driven by price primarily, AMD do compete well in this regard so intel will be shaking from that, but I think there is a lot of brand loyalty now in both the retail and oem space.
Performance, power sensitive customers are mostly gamers and datacentre customers.
We have over 500 staff of which every base office PC has an I7 K series in it. This is because even though they are not overclocked they are still higher Mhz compared to the non 'K' , for instance non-K i7 7700 is 3.6Ghz, the i7-7700K is 4.2Ghz.
The render machines and a few others have Threadripper. There are some Ryzen chip computers to compare performance to cost. So far the are doing alright (1800 series at moment). We can't really go to Ryzen fully though just because the single thread performance out the box isn't enough right now and we have too many apps that are single thread only.
You replying to me? If so, no we are an architectural and structural engineering firm. Servers don't do any of the heavy lifting.
There is a lot of heavy software use per user. As an example the average user has AutoCAD, Revit, Photoshop, Excel, Outlook and a few internet tabs open all at once just to do the base day work. Then add in the rendering software or specialist simulation software for fluid dynamics and similar that we have almost 50 users at any one point using.
Edit: Cloud based system was looked at, however it is not good solution for our industry at moment. The government tried it once and it killed all production to the point that it took around 40 seconds to draw a single line in AutoCAD because the infrastructure at moment is not there to support that many users utilising that sort of software.
The setup cost Birmingham council £100 million and was scrapped in a year to go back to local licencing and local server handling for licence distribution. There is software in works to pull the heavy analysis projects of client computers, however they are not ready and these when run will lock the computer out of being utilised during the 3 or 4 hour analysis that it does with the current setups and unfortunately almost all the software is single thread so going more cores doesn't help right now.
The other reason is that although there may be 10% of users that don't need those level of PC's they allow for hot desking also so that if one of the computers is being utilised to do an analysis then they can jump on another computer to continue their other tasks.
When I update a Revit model this end then I can be hitting 24GB of system memory during completion of some commands. The CPU is running at 70% most the time.
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Indeed it does as does Revit for the most part. The other software like Lumion rendering really only utilises 1 thread as well and that is very heavy when on large models but the software is excellent in terms of end result to time to complete. So indeed software this end is client based and often single threaded. We have brought some business workstation systems that are overclocked accordingly for the more taxing software but they are very expensive.