Apollo45

Glaucus

Glaucus

Glaucus

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Can't belive there's no thread on this yet. 45 years ago, human kind achieved one of it's greatest achievements. Walking on another planet.


As I'm not elegant with language, list to Carl Sagan

Apollo 11 gallery
http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/apollo.html

Celebrating the 45th Anniversary of First Moon Landing
Remembering that moment 45 years ago when Apollo astronaut Buzz Aldrin walked on the moon.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/celebrating-45th-anniversary-moon-landing-24635502

Such a shame we stalled, with lack of imagination, only in the last few years are we finally imagining again and driving down the cost of access to space.

If you want to see more, just search #apollo45 and celebrate the thousands of people who dreamed and made it reality.
 
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Every 5years they make it a bit bigger celebration.

Plus they're trying to drum up interest and support for the SLS missions to deep space.
 
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It's the senate that cause the issue, nasa is forced to build what the senate say. It's got to use x engines, solid boosters etc as that's what companies sponsor the senate. Even though the SLS isn't what nasa wants to build.

SpaceX will have to syphon money from NASA and do it themselves. Hopefully ULA will respond they will have to or close down their space launch department. They can't compete with spaceX as it is. Let alone when SpaceX really get going.

Iss has been good for long duration space though. We are very good at minimizing bone and muscle loss now.
 
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Freefaller said:
The fact that we have mirrors on the moon for Lunar laser ranging is enough proof to me.
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What I like is the idioms say we never went back, shows how much they know. They landed 6 times in total.

An amazing achievement, but not what we should be aiming for today.
Boots and bottles on new worlds isn't sustainable or worth it. Nasa and others (as it'll need to be a multinational achievement) to build up space infrastructure for permanent space habitation and permanent colonization of the moon and mars.

We need fuel depots in space, supplied with fuel obtained from moon or asteroids. Seeing as 99% of a rocket is just to get it into LEO.

If anyone interested Buzz talks about this in his book Mission to mars. Although I don't agree with all off it. The basic ideas and needs are the same. Mars Cycle is a great idea. Means you can put a heavy transport ship into a single orbit which links mars and earth, means you can have huge living space, radiation shielding etc. Then just use a light albeit fast craft to link to get to it. Think of it a bit like the ISS but in a orbit which passes the earth and mars every couple of years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_cycler#Earth-Mars_cyclers
 
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4T5 said:
Even after all these years I'm still not that impressed but then I think money spent on Space missions is a waste.
Bit like Brazil holding the World cup while there population starves & lives in Shacks.


I'm more impressed by people like Galileo. :cool:
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such a sad and wrong opinion. Space is one if the best ROI a government can do. It's hard to meadure but even the lowest estimate is 2:1 and the highest estimates 14:1, so which ever way you look at it, you are improving your economy to pay for other projects.

Money is not an issue, it isn't why people starve or are homeless. It's far more complicated than that. And taking $7billion and spending it on such things won't do much with out fixing the actual issues, as seen with billions spent in Africa.


Then lets not forget the spin offs, of which nasa has a massive catalogue that has helped us all. You can explore some off them here http://spinoff.nasa.gov/
 
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Which is a silly statement to make. As you make profit on space, that can then be spent on other projects. Doesn't matter if you care about space or not. Space boosts a countries economy, it does not drain it. Which means you have more money to spend on things that do not make a profit. Just an unbelievable statement to make.

The reason we are in that situation, is it's a hell off a lot easier to go to space than to the bottom of the sea.
Space is going from 1-0 atmospheres
Deepest part of the sea is going from 1 to over 1000 atmospheres. which is extremely hard.
 
4T5 said:
So we don't do things because they are hard ? :p

What use to us is all this Space travel then ? Would be different if it was like Dead Space 3 or summit but it's boring & nowts out there. :p
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You don't seem to understand the difference in hardness.
Do you understand what needs to be done to survive that pressure and what few sensors etc you can actually use at that depth. The time wild come when we explore the depths, it's just technically a hell of a lot harder.

I'm not interested in a lot of things, but if they make financial or social sense, then I still support them.
 
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Nothing to do with NASA it's the senate. The senate tells Nassau what they can do, on top of that they tell them what parts they have to use.
So they have inadequate finding to do the missions, must use unsuitable hardware which means cost sky rockets, as it's one big compromise. Then as costs rocket, the inadequate finding isn't enough and the next government cancel the project, wasting billions in research design and production.

Same is happening with SLS/Orion. Both are very poor vehicles, made with heavy compromise due to the senate, the only difference is so far the funding has been there. And they are so far along now it will launch. But there's nothing heavy enough to launch, and it's so expensive to launch, expect it to do a few flights then be canned. Which is silly as they're launching it, they might as well launch something heavy and useful rather than ballast.

They need to do what happened in Apollo days.
Give NASSA the mission and the funds and allow the engineers to design the crafts they want.
 
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Sliver said:
That was some quality trolling Arknor. I've read a lot of your posts and always thought of you as well balanced and insightful, but I was taken in at first by this thread. I thought maybe being a conspiracy arse was the skeleton in your closet. Glad to find out it it's not. ;)
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How where you taken by it, I mean the tilt thing is common troll and was like how ~2nd post.
 
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then nasa should be lobbying the senate and trying to get public support for missions that will capture the imagination of the average peon

NASA could start doing documentaries similar to the "mars underground" one I linked to get people asking why we aren't doing stuff that actually matters and pushes us as a species towards something greater
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The missions do capture imagination. They do a hell of a lot of work with public and especially education. It's not like they don't want to do the missions set out, it's just they have virtually zero freedom to carry those missions out as they see fit. However they haven got money to lobby with. Unlike the companies that produce the solid booster who do extensive lobbying and as such their solid boosters must be used. On top of that as the military use solid boosters, the military have had to double their pay to keep them in business as nasa was the biggest market and when SLS comes online will again be the biggest user.

That's just one example. The companies can afford to lobby and pain for the governments campaigns to get elected and due to that the senators insure theory backs are scratched. nASA are working with both hands and legs tied.

Which is why I'm very confident that SoaceX will be the first to land on humans on mars. It's just who will pay for it, themselfs, some third party like mars one, or nasa outsourcing like they are doing with Sis resupply missions.
 
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We gained a load of Technology from it.
We will also gain another planet and unimaginable amounts of resources. Something which requires slow progression in technology until it becomes cheap enough to actually make economically viable. We have just entered private space race, which will open up these doors. It's no longer limited to multi billion government programs.

And more importantly adventure. If we stopped exploring then we would stagnate.
Why build nice buildings rather than cheap concrete boxes, why commission art or status, why have nice food. it's all the same argument you put forward. Humans have a fundamental need to explore, discover and learn. It drives technology, which drives economy.
 
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So ignore everything said and call it a jolly LOL.

Exploration is a fundamental part of humanity.
You need a second planet for safety. You also need to send humans as robots do not have the same skills or feelings.

Ignore the vast amount of technology produced from human space flight.
Ignore several companies that have set up shop, to mine resources in space.

It might not interest you, that doesn't mean you can't see the benefits.

Lots of research and technology doesn't directly interest me, it doesn't mean I call for it to be shut down. I can see the benefit in said technology and the understanding of physics it brings. Which does affect your every day life, you should see the massive list of technology NASA has invented that directly benefits you.
 
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Jez said:
Glaucus i think you are blinded by enthusiasm, this happens a lot on here on a range of topics :p
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what rubbish, you ignored 90%, then calked it a jolly to make it sound even worse. you are the one blinded and totally unable to discuss it, seeing as you ignored basically everything.
 
Multi planet species dramatically increase survival chance.
We might have undeveloped parts of the world. But we are far from insignificant. We have huge impacts on the entire earth, ecosystems etc.

People do want to live on mars. Private companies want to send humans to live on mars taxpayer free.

And you are still ignoring the thousands and thousands of technologies derived from space exploration. You are refusing to even acknowledge it, let alone look it up.



And yet agony you ignore everything. And no I don't have enthusiasm for everything. I tend to post in threads I"m interested in, which is actually very narrow range.
 
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