As with Microsoft and Internet Explorer yet that seems to be an issue. Apple seem to be abusing their position as market leader in music downloads to help support their position as market leader in MP3 players.
Apple and anti competitive practices.
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As with Microsoft and Internet Explorer yet that seems to be an issue. Apple seem to be abusing their position as market leader in music downloads to help support their position as market leader in MP3 players.
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You and me both! I was merely pointing out if Microsoft get shafted for it, so should Apple!
I use IE on Windows as I prefer it, I use Safari on mac as I prefer it. I'm a big enough boy to make up my own decisions!
However, I do not like itunes. I would love the option to not have to use it, but I have an APPLE iPhone. So it's my fault - not theirs.
Microsoft had to take IE out because such a large % of the pc market was run on windows and the massive majority of them are never going to look at another browser other than the one they have. Competition laws apply only in the case of a company owning a large proportion of the market share dont they.
Anyway microsoft deserved it simply because they made such a **** poor browser in IE6. The number of headaches that has caused web developers over the years means they should be tried for war crimes.
Anyway microsoft deserved it simply because they made such a **** poor browser in IE6. The number of headaches that has caused web developers over the years means they should be tried for war crimes.
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There are plenty of alternative music download sites and MP3 players with their own software, use them if you don't like the direction Apple take with their own products.
iTunes is for Apple's own product, this shouldn't be having a go at Apple, it should be having a go at Palm for trying to exploit a hole in Apple's software.
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what has EU law got to do with this though? i can understand your old drm'd files might well be a problem, but for everything else...whats the issue? itunes wont sync with your sony or cowon or whatever - its not a big deal when you can drag and drop your drm-free itunes downloaded music, right?
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Agreed with megatronic. If MS got the shaft for bullying people out of the market with regards to IE in Europe, why shouldn't Apple be penalised for effectivley doing the same thing with the MP3/Music market?
Agreed with megatronic. If MS got the shaft for bullying people out of the market with regards to IE in Europe, why shouldn't Apple be penalised for effectivley doing the same thing with the MP3/Music market?
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Agreed with megatronic. If MS got the shaft for bullying people out of the market with regards to IE in Europe, why shouldn't Apple be penalised for effectivley doing the same thing with the MP3/Music market?
But MS getting the shaft wasn't right either, I don't think anyone defending Apple agrees that the MS ruling was right either.
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Oh yes, go you! You little IE hater you. IE runs best on my pc, compared to Safari, Opera (which crashes all the time) and Firefox (which is slowwww). I didn't like chrome. So no, Microsoft didn't deserve it.
EDIT - I'm relaxing my comments as your war crimes edit made me LOL, literally.
More seriously, as for your first comment, Apple have such a % of the music download market running on Apple hardware and the massive majority of users are never going to ever look at another music download site other than the one they have. An added issue is if people have all their music in itunes, they're conversely locked to Apple hardware.
I agree, although technically it was anti-competative but in a funny crazy EU kind of way.
What I meant is that if MS can get the shaft for bundling IE with their products (bare in mind they don't stop devices connecting to their machines/software etc as that would be ****ing stupid) - then Apple should get in MORE trouble for effectivley saying "FU" to other manufacturers.
They built their nice little niche and are now trying to fence it off and indoctrinate their users for life, imo.
I have nothing against IE these days, it was a joke because I had so many issues with IE 6. Im sure there are plenty of others that think IE 6 was horrendous. IE 8 is fine and I use it for testing sites on now. I just prefer firefox, it wouldnt make much difference if I had to use IE8 to me now.
Can you not use tunes downloaded from iTunes on other mp3 players? If not then they should do somthing about it. If you can use music downloaded from itunes on other players by using other software then what is the issue.
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thats really the point. you are locked in to one piece of software to use itunes, but you are NOT locked into using apple products to play the music.
Palm turned up touting their new product, which even takes styling cues from the iPhone and then market it by saying it works with iTunes, only by exploiting a hole in Apple's software to further this pitch, not by working with Apple, why should Apple allow them to use their own software to try and compete with them? I don't see in what reality that's anti-competitive, Palm should be the ones in trouble.
If you want to use Apple's iTunes, you use Apple's iPod, perfectly logical business practice in my view, why would you let competitors exploit your software to profit off and steal your sales.
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The difference with Microsoft is that internet explorer was the only browser installed and therefore you HAD to use it to initially get onto the internet. Obviously now the problem with the new version of windows is that you can't get on the internet at all without installing a browser from a usb stick or cd.
Microsoft could have kept internet explorer as part of the package, if they had included other browsers. They didn't want to do this. Apple do. They include opera along with safari.
it wont really effect the consumer though becase the vendors (such as dell, hp) will just install a browser for you.
With iTunes, it's not built in (to windows) and you're not forced to use it to listen to music. Sure you have to use it if you have an apple device, such as an iPod, but hows that any different to sony and sonic stage?
Regarding the iTunes music store, sure it has a monopoly, but those people have chosen to download and use iTunes and it's store. There is nothing illegal against monopolies because your product is simply better than everyone else and they choose to use it over competitors. Don't want to use iTunes music store, head to amazon or play.com.
Microsoft could have kept internet explorer as part of the package, if they had included other browsers. They didn't want to do this. Apple do. They include opera along with safari.
it wont really effect the consumer though becase the vendors (such as dell, hp) will just install a browser for you.
With iTunes, it's not built in (to windows) and you're not forced to use it to listen to music. Sure you have to use it if you have an apple device, such as an iPod, but hows that any different to sony and sonic stage?
Regarding the iTunes music store, sure it has a monopoly, but those people have chosen to download and use iTunes and it's store. There is nothing illegal against monopolies because your product is simply better than everyone else and they choose to use it over competitors. Don't want to use iTunes music store, head to amazon or play.com.
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Thing is, I didn't want to use itunes. I want to drag and drop music to my ipods/iphone. But no. You can't even turn on the devices until they're connected to Itunes, and Apple have a credit card on file or whatever. Anyway, O/T.
But you bought an iPhone/iPod anyway, why are you complaining?
Should have bought something else.
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Apple specifically put out statements saying that future updates could break unauthorised compatibility. This is Palm playing cat and mouse.
I don't think the EU courts should get involved. This purely stops the Palm Pre showing up as an iPod in iTunes. Fair enough really.
I don't think the EU courts should get involved. This purely stops the Palm Pre showing up as an iPod in iTunes. Fair enough really.
This.
If Apple were as big as Microsoft, then the EU would be all over them. Just like many other things, you can only break certain laws when you're the majority.
Wrong, yes. But it will never change.
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exactly. im sure i never needed itunes to use my iphone, only to update the FW
Shipping Internet Explorer with windows is not an inhibition to me installing an alternative browser if I choose to do so.
You chose to buy an iPhone/iPod. Buy a Creative Zen.