Apple removes end to end encryption (ADP) in the UK

For users who have it enabled, it'll be disabled later on, but it won't be done automatically, you just won't have access to your iCloud account until it's disabled.

As for getting around it, I'm not sure, from what I can understand, there are a number of factors in play, device location, where it was sold in, etc, VPN won't help you here.
 
Greedo said:
I'm not an Apple user, can you just use a VPN to get around this? Or is it based on account settings or something?
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A VPN just encrypts data in transit. End to end encryption is encryption while in transfer and at rest on a storage medium so that there is zero attack vector even if someone physically steals the hard drives or snoops on network data.

Edit: Ah, my bad. Read that wrong. Sorry.
 
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Erm yeah that’s hard to pick one said:
So how does it know you’re a UK user. Must be a way to avoid
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It’s a bit like Japanese iPhones knows you are in Japan so there is no true silent mode with the camera. It will make a shutter sound when in silent.

I guess it knows by a combination of

1 - When you activate it, you select UK.
2 - When you update the firmware, you are in the UK when doing so.

So if you go outside the UK, get an iPhone, and never update when you are in the UK, in theory you will still have ADP.
 
Was just thinking about this I use adp. Next iPhone buy in Ireland and setup. Use vpn and Irish esim. Should be good for alternative stores and adp?
 
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I have no issue with this in its “intended use cases” ie security services but knowing this country you’ll end up with some tinpot local council using the same laws to snoop someone’s emails over the contents of their wheelie bin
 
Cromulent said:

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Eh, worth a try if someone's paranoid enough.

Feels like it falls apart if you get monitored for a while and the decoy operating system clearly wasn't being used for what you were seen doing.
 
Cromulent said:
I don't have anything to hide but removing privacy features for just a small number of bad actors seems a bit extreme.
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It's (mass) surveillance under the guise of "just think of the children!" that just erodes any privacy of its citizens. But the UK government have been pedalling this crud for the last decade or so and don't seem to be remotely interested in the views of security experts that have stated this won't thwart criminals as they'll deploy other tactics like encrypting data themselves.

Erm yeah that’s hard to pick one said:
So how does it know you’re a UK user. Must be a way to avoid
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Set iCloud location along with device location (GPS, mobile network, connected wireless etc).

sityeuropa said:
Apple should have just called their bluff.
Go on then ban it all, no doubt even their own devices.

There is no way they would have done.
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Given the amount of Apple devices and services used in government, especially by MP's themselves, i'm surprised they didn't; it certainly would have peed a lot of people off but it would have caused the government a lot of headaches.
 
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I think it's probably yet another move to harvest your data for the AI Overlords to train on.

Tipping the tin foil hat for a moment - when it's proven that they can put data on your device, then it's time to be concerned.
 
visibleman said:
Given the amount of Apple devices and services used in government, especially by MP's themselves, i'm surprised they didn't; it certainly would have peed a lot of people off but it would have caused the government a lot of headaches.
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The government isn’t using iCloud for government business or frankly any of Apples other services because they are not designed for corporate use. Microsoft is the only real viable option.

The government could switch to Android phones tomorrow if it really wanted to, it’s just a phone.

I doubt many government employees are using Apple laptops because they’ll be too expensive and public procurement rules requires them to buy the best value item. Any proprietary apps will be written for Windows and not MacOS.
 
Bluecube said:
Changed that for you. You can be sure there are plenty of arrogant arses and dumb wack jobs working in government that do exactly that
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I seriously doubt it and I’m afraid claims like yours need to be backed up with evidence otherwise they are just nonsensical keyboard speculation.

A correctly managed Apple device does not allow you to extract information from a managed Microsoft 365 environment and upload it to iCloud (easily). You can’t even screenshot a managed M365 app. No worker is going to go outside of their way (and you really do need to go out of your way) to try and upload data to iCloud out of a managed O365 environment ‘for work’.

A correctly managed device also works off a whitelist for anything you can put on the device. You can’t download anything that is not a pre-approved app.
 
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It’s also irrelevant because the government and the civil service do not use iCloud to conduct government business.

I’m not sure I even know anyone that uses iCloud email as their main email address.
 
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