Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

[Richie]

^^

Apples patents are not FRAND so can charge what they want
Samsungs patents are FRAND, so Samsung can not charge what they want.

Bit mental that. In an ideal World (and with common sense), Apple and Samsung would have just cross licensed the involved tech from both sides for the same fees.


On another topic - I wonder if this ruling will give Apple the idea and added "support" of taking on Google for any infringements.

This may have been called the patent trial of the decade but I feel it will be small fry compared to what may come in the future....

 

[Glaucus]

That's how patent cases normall work. You take on someone you thing has clearly broken the patents and deemed an "easy" win. If that succeeds, you then move on to the harder targets.

 

[AndyCr15]

What have I said that has to do with hatred?

Erm, probably no where... but then I wasn't talking to you, so it's kinda irrelevant

Basically, someone was moaning that people hated Apple when its the patent system that is wrong.

It's still a bad analogy. What MPs did was illegal and amounts to nothing more than theft, and it was technically from the public.

Have to be honest, I don't know the full detail, but what I heard was they were just taking advantage of the system, nothing actually illegal or they would have been prosecuted, surely? Instead, they generally just gave stuff back.

Anyway, regardless, basically just because you can do something by law, doesn't mean people wont hate you for doing it.

 

[nitram100]

This really ****es me off. In a world where technology is advancing at such a drastic rate, the whole patent system needs changing. I mean ffs, what do they want Samsung to do? Make circular phones?

 

[Glaucus]

Fair enough, my apologies.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Bit mental that. In an ideal World (and with common sense), Apple and Samsung would have just cross licensed the involved tech from both sides for the same fees.


On another topic - I wonder if this ruling will give Apple the idea and added "support" of taking on Google for any infringements.

This may have been called the patent trial of the decade but I feel it will be small fry compared to what may come in the future....

It depends if the rest of the courts in the world agree with Apple. If they don't,then it is going to be very interesting.

Possibly it will mean two versions of Android devices - gimped ones to the US and others to the rest of the world.

 

[Glaucus]

This really ****es me off. In a world where technology is advancing at such a drastic rate, the whole patent system needs changing. I mean ffs, what do they want Samsung to do? Make circular phones?

No need for that at all.
Apple praised blackberry and Nokia for not copying the iPhone look.
It's very easy to differentiate a phone.
Smasung didn't in its early phones and even changed the android UI to look more like iOS.

 

[Cleeecooo]

How else could you zoom without pinching? I genuinely can't think of anything

 

[mmj_uk]

This whole patent system is wrong imo, we should be promoting competition not monopolies.

Apple have been rewarded enough by becoming the phone to have, they don't need to stop everyone else from using their ideas.

 

[Glaucus]

How else could you zoom without pinching? I genuinely can't think of anything

Simply sliding finger up and down, in certain area.
Hold home button and slide up and down.


Plenty of ways you could do it, I agree it wouldn't be the best way.

Have any number of finger gestures instead of tap to zoom.

 

[Kenai]

How else could you zoom without pinching? I genuinely can't think of anything

Touch and hold, slider bars, zoom in and zoom out buttons, two finger drag... there are loads of ways to do it - pinching is just one of the more elegant and more natural feeling solutions we have.

 

[Neodite]

How else could you zoom without pinching? I genuinely can't think of anything

A circle movement around the area you want to zoom into?

DAMNIT brb i best patent that

 

[gettothechopper]

This whole patent system is wrong imo, we should be promoting competition not monopolies.

this

all i see is the US protecting a US company

other countries have made sensible rulings in these cases

 

[Glaucus]

Lots of it no longer applies.
As allready mentioned, a fair amount was samsungs own Ui not android. Newer androids don't have bounce back.

 

[Tute]

Anyway, regardless, basically just because you can do something by law, doesn't mean people wont hate you for doing it.

That's down to the individual - everybody hates Apple anyway. I just don't see how a system that allows a company to patent a shape is in any way a good one.

 

[FoxEye]

If there is one thing this case has shown, it is that America has the worst patent system in the world. Winning millions on a bounce back feature is ridiculous, to say it is integral to ios is BS.

I keep reading that we will soon have US-style software patents in Europe. It is still being pushed through by the European Committee, with very little anyone can do to stop it. Corporate lobbying power always triumphs in the end.

 

[reflux]

I always thought the original Galaxy S was a blantant iPhone rip off and I think it was easy for just about anyone to see that. I'd rather Samsung hadn't lost this case, but Apple had a point.

What frustrates me more is that this vindicates Apple's strategy of suing everyone rather than innovating. I'd much rather have seen a few knockout products from Apple this year than a ginormous lawsuit.

 

[Glaucus]

That's down to the individual - everybody hates Apple anyway. I just don't see how a system that allows a company to patent a shape is in any way a good one.

That's massively over simplifying it though.

It's not just a shape. It's lots of aspects that together form the patent.
Something that many many phones do not infringe on. Why did smasung infringe on it?
Why did smasung have the Ui changed on android to look more like iOS?
Why does samsungs own paperwork back this up, that is why it was willingfully. As Samsung purposely designed it in such ways.

 

[Jono]

What about this, that i seem to remember?

I'm sure this came before Apple stole it.

 

[Westyfield2]

Some of them are fair enough - Samsung blatantly copied. Some of them are a bit stupid though, tap to zoom etc are just so intuitive. Some of them are really stupid, loads of the FRAND cellular and wireless patents are protocol standards but are patented!

in other news, ford planning on suing all car makers using a 4 wheeled design.


ludicrous decision.

IIRC don't Ford still have the patent on heated front windscreens, hence why only Ford family cars have them? (Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mazda).