Are E-cigarettes really a safe alternative to smoking tobacco?

TommyV said:
They'll never be perfectly 'clean' to use, but compared to cigarettes they're a damn slight 'healthier'.

Without ecigs I wouldn't have stopped smoking and eventually become completely nicotine free. They are a blessing.
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Ditto, they make it massively easier to stop smoking imo.
 
I moved from cigs to E-cig and from Weed to E-Weed that cut allot of my daily running time. Much better lung efficiency. Quitting ?? Whats the point i gonna get cancer of some sort anyway.
 
malachi said:
Shouldn't be smoking in the first place regardless what it is. Its a disgusting habit.
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In your opinion maybe

I enjoy smoking not for the nicotine itself but more for the indulgence of smoking be it a pipe/vape/sheesh

The fiancées sister who is 14 was telling me about all her friends that vape at school in the toilet and kids have often commented on my vape saying "wow that's sick" which is worrying

Its by no means 100% safe but what is these days? at least I know 100% what's going into my E-juice
 
I believe in that study they tested the chemicals from burning a dry atomiser. So not the chemicals you'll be inhaling, just melting insulators and plastic. That's like burning a cigarette filter to test the average contents of a cigarette.

Just watch and see how quickly the safety issue turns around once they are able to tax nicotine in 3 years.
 
Wait, this stuff is a trend with kids now? Oh god... It's happened, I'm old enough to not notice trends of the younger generations (27 this weekend)
 
Anybody that believes what the media says about e-cigs needs to do some research for themselves. It's amazing what they're spouting out about them! I have no doubt that they're safer than cigarettes, sure they're not perfect but they're a hell of a lot better for you!
 
the act of vaporising is much cleaner than smoking, however the pre-made nictotine liquids (especially pgp base) have way more carcinogens than tobacco not to mention other crap in them. so unless you are making your own liquid and know exactly what's in it then it's no better for you than smoking cigs although you won't get stained fingers or smell of rancid smoke.
If your going to vape you might as well get a dry herb vape and use it with regular tobacco.
 
murah said:
the act of vaporising is much cleaner than smoking, however the pre-made nictotine liquids (especially pgp base) have way more carcinogens than tobacco not to mention other crap in them. so unless you are making your own liquid and know exactly what's in it then it's no better for you than smoking cigs although you won't get stained fingers or smell of rancid smoke.
If your going to vape you might as well get a dry herb vape and use it with regular tobacco.
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Just to nit pick, how do you know what you're making is any cleaner than a premix? I assume you're buying your ingredients separately? Where from?

Do you have a source to back up the higher carcinogens bit? It's most likely right but surely it depends where you're buying from.

Lastly what's PGP? I've heard of PG and VG but I can't find PGP sorry.
 
I hope they are still treated as cigarettes though people who use them don't seem to care half the time.. I saw someone vaping in Subway the other day! I don't want them damn chemicals in my sandwich! I'll just take all the processed badness instead ^.^

Also people use them in work places and the like. I'm not sure if they are classed the same as cigarettes by the goverment but I haven't seen anyone kicked out of anywhere for using one though...
 
Don't know personally I'd love to see them get studies asap. If they prove there's still a possibility of second hand damage then yeah treat it the same as smoking. If not then allow it as premises see fit.
 
Mynight said:
Don't know personally I'd love to see them get studies asap. If they prove there's still a possibility of second hand damage then yeah treat it the same as smoking. If not then allow it as premises see fit.
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There are some good studies going on at the moment. We should know more about the potential hazards later this year (hopefully).

Fact is, though, the stage is already set with desperation from the antis to spin any old factor into a factor for harm. The study that this very thread is based on is little more than a negative spin on something that demonstrated vaping is 99% cleaner than smoking cigarettes. That's fact. Yet instead of that being the headline, the results are published in a negative light.

There are likely more carcinogens in an overcooked steak, quite frankly.

If studies come in showing that vapour has levels of content that are beyond allowed (legal) safe levels in indoor air then yes, absolutely, they should be treated the same as smoking and vapers sent outside.

But the same action shouldn't be taken from a study that shows "there's something in there", but at levels not considered a concern -- yet blown up in the media to be akin to mustard gas.

Beyond that, the rest is an issue of etiquette. As maxilive says, I wouldn't be happy with someone blowing vapour all over me in Subway as I'm eating my lunch. Much the same as I wouldn't be pleased with a random individual walking over and farting on me (and that's not even considering what you're inhaling from their intestinal gas -- maybe the media should jump on that?). Users do need to mindful of their behaviour.

"What? It's nothing; it's legal; it isn't doing you any harm!" isn't an excuse when you're blowing vapour all over people who don't want it. It's perfectly possible to keep your vaping "on the DL" and behave yourself. It isn't like smoke -- it doesn't need to be exhaled in such volume to prevent choking yourself.

No nuisance, no problem, as far as I'm concerned. That goes for both vapers and non-vapers. Just because you see someone putting a PV to their mouth doesn't mean you have license to raise an issue over it.

As soon as they blow it all over you, though... you have every right to ask them to rein it in if it's making you uncomfortable. Same as any other behaviour such as swearing, farting, belching, shouting, fighting... whatever.
 
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