Are GPs useless?

Yeah there is but it's not an oral disease that's doing it, but rather something else - apparently.

I haven't had a fizzy drink in almost 2 years, i don't eat chocolate, i don't drink tea. The worst i do is smoke 3-4 times a day, which i know i should stop.

As for acid from my stomach, the dentist said it's probably digestive but when i've suggested that they won't push it any further. It could also be my sinuses (which would explain the terrible headache that comes along with it).

Fibromylgia, i thank you for the suggestion but it doesn't sound like that at all.

What do you smoke 3-4 times a day though if it is not legal in this country then that would answer quite a few of your questions ...
 
Rofl you smoke rollups and you wonder why your mouth is foul.
Oh for god's sake, six pages, six pages and you give evryone the answer.

Btw tea without sugar will do your teeth no harm, might stain them a bit, but no actual damage.
 
A few skinny rollups to destress me when i'm feeling down about my situation.

Unfiltered and with something else other than the Golden Virginia or not. That's enough to give you the colouring especially if you are not using filters and actually taking tobacco into your mouth. If you are smoking something else in there then you aren't going to be helping the anxiety are you and you won't be without to be frankly honest you'll be giving yourself a strong nicotine rush periodically which will incidentally present with some of the symptoms you are describing and exacerbate what you are already feeling.

I should try this doctor business it's a doddle!
 
Rofl you smoke rollups and you wonder why your mouth is foul.
Oh for god's sake, six pages, six pages and you give evryone the answer.

Btw tea without sugar will do your teeth no harm, might stain them a bit, but no actual damage.

I actually swapped to rollups from regular ciggys to cut down. It's worked, i've cut down loads but i had all these horrible symptoms before i switched over and it's not the rollups doing it, although i concede it doesn't help.

If i have a cup of tea my whole mouth will go the colour of the tea for hours and my spit will be the colour of it aswell. It just kinda sticks around in my mouth and has a horrible taste. It's very hard to explain. I first switched to green tea and honey instead of sugar but now i don't drink tea at all.

And Xordium. Yes it's filtered and yes it's golden virginia. And i know you're half messing around, but nothing else in it.
 
I aint messing around I was asking a serious question because a great deal of what you described could be easily explained by such a simple explanation. And that is the way these things tend to work.
 
How i've been treated is actually disgusting.

Do you think it is a personal thing? (Genuine question). The doctors who you've seen, do you believe they are incompetent and have all failed to diagnose your disease? I fully appreciate you present with your symptoms, but what makes you unwilling to accept that the consensus of several doctors is that you do not have a 'disease'?

And for the love of god stop smoking. Rollups or otherwise. If you've been so desperate to get to the bottom of your life ruining situation, why on earth have you not taken it upon yourself to at least stop smoking completely? :confused:
 
I aint messing around I was asking a serious question because a great deal of what you described could be easily explained by such a simple explanation. And that is the way these things tend to work.

Fair enough. But yeah, nothing else.

I've tried to go jogging a lot recently, 18months ago i was in a 5-a-side footy team and could run miles worth. Now i get to 100 yards and have to stop and then i feel like i'm dying. I'm gonna keep trying to get further though.
 
Do you think it is a personal thing? (Genuine question). The doctors who you've seen, do you believe they are incompetent and have all failed to diagnose your disease? I fully appreciate you present with your symptoms, but what makes you unwilling to accept that the consensus of several doctors is that you do not have a 'disease'?

And for the love of god stop smoking. Rollups or otherwise. If you've been so desperate to get to the bottom of your life ruining situation, why on earth have you not taken it upon yourself to at least stop smoking completely? :confused:

Well my old girl sees the same doctor and i'm sure she's gone in there saying there was nothing wrong with the room, half because she wants to protect my Dads reputation as a builder, half because she didn't think it was a problem. Nothings a problem until it starts to affect your life though. Someone could eat a McDonalds, it's bad for them but it's not going to do anything of real bother unless you eat them every day for a couple of months. Similar to how it is with the air quality in that room. What i'm saying this for though is doctors see this and all jump to the same conclusion or something.

I don't know but i really can't believe i've had to deal with it for this long without any proper help because i'm not being taken seriously.
 
Just change GP's and seek another opinion. It's probably a stress induced migraine or something of that ilk causing all the dizziness, olfactory hallucinations, headaches etc. Smoking won't help at all but I guess you know that. It's not the doctors responsibility to sort out the room either you are an adult that's your job ...
 
Only thing that causes me stress are the symptoms themselves. Olfactory hallucinations? Are you implying my teeth haven't lowered in quality the equivalent of 50 years in just one?
 
Well my old girl sees the same doctor and i'm sure she's gone in there saying there was nothing wrong with the room, half because she wants to protect my Dads reputation as a builder, half because she didn't think it was a problem. Nothings a problem until it starts to affect your life though. Someone could eat a McDonalds, it's bad for them but it's not going to do anything of real bother unless you eat them every day for a couple of months. Similar to how it is with the air quality in that room. What i'm saying this for though is doctors see this and all jump to the same conclusion or something.

I'm sorry, I didn't really understand this, but I presume you're talking about the damp garage thing? Living in a damp garage doesn't really explain the symptoms you list, not to my immediate knowledge anyway. And I presume you're no longer in that environment?

I don't know but i really can't believe i've had to deal with it for this long without any proper help because i'm not being taken seriously.

Another genuine question- why is it that they aren't taking you seriously, any ideas?

As someone at the end of your tether, I'm sure you've had some thoughts of your own as to what might be wrong with you- what do you reckon? And apart from come up with a diagnosis, what have you been expecting your GPs to have done for you?

And have you actually considered or are you even willing to stop smoking- completely? Even if it changes nothing, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. You know this.
 
the GPs at my local surgery are excellent, a few years ago I went to see them with a problem, my GP sent me to hospital with a suggestion of her diagnosis, this was dismiised and I was admitted, 4 weeks in hospital, many diagnosis and 5 consultants later they finally came up with virtually the same answer that she suggested on my first visit
 
Only thing that causes me stress are the symptoms themselves. Olfactory hallucinations? Are you implying my teeth haven't lowered in quality the equivalent of 50 years in just one?

No I am saying abnormal smells and tastes ie hallucinations are commonly found in people who suffer from migraines prior to commencement which coincidentally also can give rise to dizziness and headaches. They also are stimulated be anxiety and stress. This is not to say you have migraines just another possibility to the picture of rapid decline you seem to presume is occurring.

I am saying this does not necessarily have to be some life changing event it can be something that can be well managed through a positive approach both in your approach to the people that can help you and with how you manage your life ie removing causative factors eg nicotine and poor living conditions.

I asked about the cannabis because that can cause saliva to stop forming thereby rapidly escalating dental decay.
 
I'm sorry, I didn't really understand this, but I presume you're talking about the damp garage thing? Living in a damp garage doesn't really explain the symptoms you list, not to my immediate knowledge anyway. And I presume you're no longer in that environment?

Another genuine question- why is it that they aren't taking you seriously, any ideas?

Yeah, the garage. What would the symptoms be to your "immediate knowledge" then? I only ask because i noticed it rained i'd wake up feeling horrible, throughout the day and being out of the room it'd clear up but the more i tolerated the dampness, the longer i'd feel rough after getting out of the room and it's came to a point where it was permanent and even after being out of there for 10months i still feel rough as ****.

As someone at the end of your tether, I'm sure you've had some thoughts of your own as to what might be wrong with you- what do you reckon? And apart from come up with a diagnosis, what have you been expecting your GPs to have done for you?

Everything i've looked up even close to what i'm experiencing lists other stuff aswell, very serious stuff and it gets me all depressed and crappy reading about it so i try not too. At the very least i'd have expected the doctors to take a look inside my mouth, the colour of my tongue etc - but no. Get my sinuses checked out, my digestive system, anything! The only thing they seem to focus on after all my moaning is my chest which is probably the only thing thats got a bit better since leaving the room.

And have you actually considered or are you even willing to stop smoking- completely? Even if it changes nothing, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. You know this.

Yeah, i know this. I've actually been reading the vaporiser topic here and am gonna try that route soon.
 
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Yeah, the garage. What would the symptoms be to your "immediate knowledge" then?

The symptoms you've described (with respect, as clearly as you can describe them on a forum) are all pretty non-specific. What I mean by this is headaches, dizzyness, palpitations have any number of causes for example. As for other things you've described, e.g. tea making your mouth turn the same colour for hours, ok this might seem specific to you, but just sounds odd. You're implying that your saliva turns the colour of tea. I'm not here to give medical advice as this is not allowed, and would be irresponsible of me.

I'm not just jumping on you smoking because it's an easy target, but it is common sense that smoking can cause oral problems. I know you said your dentist said it wasn't an 'oral' problem, but with respect, all this could mean is that there is nothing wrong with your teeth and gums.

Everything i've looked up even close to what i'm experiencing lists other stuff aswell, very serious stuff and it gets me all depressed and crappy reading about it so i try not too. At the very least i'd have expected the doctors to take a look inside my mouth, the colour of my tongue etc - but no. Get my sinuses checked out, my digestive system, anything! The only thing they seem to focus on after all my moaning is my chest which is probably the only thing thats got a bit better since leaving the room.

Easy way to get a doctor to examine your mouth and tongue- just open your mouth and stick out your tongue. I'm being serious. If your tongue was a worrying colour and you stuck out your tongue, no doctor would ignore that.

Going back to the dentist thing- I presume your dentist has looked inside your mouth and seen your tongue (wouldn't be much of a dentist if he didn't ;)) If he said it wasn't an 'oral' thing but acknowledged there was something wrong, then he should be able to write to your GP to formally describe his findings and request further investigation. I presume your dentist didn't feel this was necessary?

Getting your sinuses 'checked out' isn't as simple as you might think, especially if it might not be your sinuses at all and only what you believe to be a sinus problem. Similarly, getting your digestive system checked out is probably not as straightforward as you think.
 
I got a call from the hospital this morning about the chest specialist. I was told i'd have to wait maybe 6 months but they've booked me in for next Wednesday - i don't know if going to A&E made them speed up the process a little. Like i've said before though, since i've gotten out of the room it's only my chest that feels to have detoxed/gotten a bit better. But i guess explaining things to the chest specialist might still move things along in terms of other symptoms and he may be able to rule out my chest completely. If not, he finds something and i finally have a potentially accurate diagnosis.
 
I've had two terrible experiences with GPs which have resulted in hospital stays as a result of terrible diagnoses, despite my protestations, and wrong prescriptions which have further worsened my condition.

As a result I have a natural distrust of GPs and, rather foolishly, wait until I'm considerably ill and drag myself to minor injuries instead at hospital to see the real doctors!
 
Going to see a GP is usually a fraught experience.

A&E have it easy, simple A,B,C, + bandages and send you on your way.

GPs seem to try things almost at random, if you get better great! If you don't you go back and they try something else and hopefully get it right before you die.
 
nono, both codeine and tramadol both require the same liver enzymes to metabolise and act on the same receptor, tramadol having a higher analgesic effect
so taking codeine and tramadol together doesnt do much if you are taking max doses of both
you have paracetamol (as opposed to co-codamol, unless it was dispensed to you as paracetamol and codeine individually)?

Tramadol acts as a serotonin releasing agent and noradrenaline re-uptake inhibitor, giving rise to analgesic and antidepressant properties, irrespective of it's opioid metabolite o-desmethyltramadol.

Also codeine is glucuronidated to codeine-6-glucuronide which acts as an opioid analgesic, a separate hepatic enzyme to the P450 isozyme which demethylates tramadol.
 
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