Are there any 5800x3d vs 7800x3d MMORPG tests? Trying to figure out the benefits

[li3to]

I am struggling to figure out if 7800 will offer any benefits, lots of tests I've seen suggest almost no difference in a large number of games. 2-3% increase to be exact for 30-40% extra money counting a new mobo.

Mostly playing MMORPGs on 1440p with RTX4700. Currently on intel so will be buying mobo either way. Would want to still use ddr4 ram for now.

Any tests that can help me figure out how much more performance will I get with 7800?

 

[Sythe79]

If you are buying a new system, go AM5 the 5800x3d is a great chip for people already on AM4 to get a cheap boost to their system but even the 7600 matches/beats it in pure performance.

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[MissChief]

If you are buying a new system, go AM5 the 5800x3d is a great chip for people already on AM4 to get a cheap boost to their system but even the 7600 matches/beats it in pure performance.

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Agreed. As a new buyer you’d be crazy to buy into a dead platform. AM5 will likely be here until 2028 or perhaps even 2030.

 

[Tetras]

Currently on intel so will be buying mobo either way. Would want to still use ddr4 ram for now.

You wouldn't be able to use DDR4 with a 7800X3D.

This is all I could find, starts at 8:42:

7800X3D/RTX3080 와우 4K 테스트(vs 5800X3D)

CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 7 7800X3DCPU Cooler: NZXT KRAKEN X73Motherboard: Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AXMemory: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series F5-6000J3238F16GX2-TZ5...

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By the looks of it, if you had a faster graphics card than the 3080 used in the test, the performance improvement could be decent (the 1% lows can be very meaningful in raids too), since I think this is even @ 4K?

 

[li3to]

So will I need to buy new ram if i go with AM5 or is it just 7800x3d?
7600x seems to perform worse than 5800x3d - do both have that fancy L3 cache?

 

[uscool]

So will I need to buy new ram if i go with AM5 or is it just 7800x3d?
7600x seems to perform worse than 5800x3d - do both have that fancy L3 cache?

Am5 only works with ddr5, 7600x doesn't have fancy L3 cache and is 6 cores but has higher IPC and clock speed

 

[li3to]

So considering I want L3 cache I either pay 400ish for 5800x3d with mobo or 700-800ish for 7800x3d + mobo + ram
Does this sound about right?

 

[Sythe79]

If it's for one game (like wow) then you really need to ask around the player base, I've not played it for years. does it even make use of more than one or two cores now ? it didn't.

looking at that video I'm not even sure it uses the L3 cache and the difference isn't just clock speed

 

[li3to]

I play a few games but the most demanding one is Black Desert, particularly mass pvp which can have hundreds of players on the screen at a time. It does use L3. I did ask around people who upgraded to either CPU noticed massive difference but understandably they cant compare the two.

 

[Tetras]

So considering I want L3 cache I either pay 400ish for 5800x3d with mobo or 700-800ish for 7800x3d + mobo + ram
Does this sound about right?

Correct.

E.g.
My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £379.99
• 1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £149.99
• 1 x TeamGroup Vulcan EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLABD532G5600HC40BDC01) (SKU: MY-0B3-TG) = £99.95

Total: £629.93 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Cache Eight Core 4.5GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3D0-AM) = £319.99
• 1 x Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 (AMD AM4) B550 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-594-GI) = £115.99

Total: £435.98 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

I'd use the same cooler: this.

AM5 does have the advantage of future CPU upgrades, so it is arguably a better investment as you can re-use the motherboard/RAM in the future.

 

[Quartz]

So will I need to buy new ram if i go with AM5 or is it just 7800x3d?
7600x seems to perform worse than 5800x3d - do both have that fancy L3 cache?

The only case I would recommend sticking with DDR4 is when you have and need large amounts of it - say 128 GB - and even then Threadripper 7000 is on the horizon.

 

[jigger]

5800X3D on a A520/X470 motherboard can make an a solid financial argument for a gaming build.

 

[SpudMaster]

Agreed. As a new buyer you’d be crazy to buy into a dead platform. AM5 will likely be here until 2028 or perhaps even 2030.

Maybe things have changed, I've not looked in a while but I'm sure AMD only confirmed commitment to AM5 until 2025. Now I'm not suggesting people go and buy AM4 for a new system unless they are on a very tight budget or buying second hand but I don't think AM5 will be sticking around for aslong as AM4 did\has

 

[Sythe79]

Maybe things have changed, I've not looked in a while but I'm sure AMD only confirmed commitment to AM5 until 2025. Now I'm not suggesting people go and buy AM4 for a new system unless they are on a very tight budget or buying second hand but I don't think AM5 will be sticking around for aslong as AM4 did\has

You would assume it will be supported at least until DDR6 becomes mainstream, so effectively the end of its natural life.

Who knows, they may adopt the intel change the socket just for the fun of it every refresh approach.

 

[SpudMaster]

You would assume it will be supported at least until DDR6 becomes mainstream, so effectively the end of its natural life.

Who knows, they may adopt the intel change the socket just for the fun of it every refresh approach.

Hopefully not

 

[Conanius]

Whilst I can't easily answer your actual question... I went:

5800X3D, 32GB (2x16) 3600 C14 DDR4, X570 Asus Rog Crosshair Hero

to

7800X3D, 32GB (2x16) 6000MHZ C30 DDR5, Asus Rog Strix B650E

now... I did also change from a 6900XT to a 4070Ti, but, the difference has been phenomenal for me. Well worth every single penny.

 

[RBImGuy]

I am struggling to figure out if 7800 will offer any benefits, lots of tests I've seen suggest almost no difference in a large number of games. 2-3% increase to be exact for 30-40% extra money counting a new mobo.

Mostly playing MMORPGs on 1440p with RTX4700. Currently on intel so will be buying mobo either way. Would want to still use ddr4 ram for now.

Any tests that can help me figure out how much more performance will I get with 7800?

not a big difference unless your cpu limited with the gpu

 

[MissChief]

Yes you're spending a lot extra for an AM5 platform but you're not buying into a dead end so saving money in the future by having a board you can add to with an 8000 or even 9000 series chip in 2026 or 2027.

 

[RBImGuy]

Yes you're spending a lot extra for an AM5 platform but you're not buying into a dead end so saving money in the future by having a board you can add to with an 8000 or even 9000 series chip in 2026 or 2027.

was my thinking last year, either go for 5800x3d or go for new am5 so I went with am5
no regrets even if was a steeper cost and I can look forward next years x3d upgrade without changing platform

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Gamers Nexus just put out the ultimate AM4 "is it worth upgrading" video answering this very question with a multitude of modern games.