Have you ever wondered why intel have so many problems getting their CPUs used in anything apart from PCs ?
DX12 is flawed (thankyou Microsoft) even before it gets going as it is limited to the number of cores it can use.
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Are there any rumours as to when the next Nvidia GPUs will be released?
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Have you ever wondered why intel have so many problems getting their CPUs used in anything apart from PCs ?
DX12 is flawed (thankyou Microsoft) even before it gets going as it is limited to the number of cores it can use.
Do tell. Brad Wardell has shown Ashes using 12 cores.
It demonstrates that cpu's and gpu's are aimed at different tasks. Larabbe/knights landing are blurring the boundaries with their massively cored cpu deployment but in terms of an operating system its not quite as simple as saying its good old lazy Intel/ Microsoft/Wintel.
For certain tasks primarily involving crunching large amounts of similar data in parallel gpu's understandably rule the roost. In other areas a faster cpu with far less parallel ability will be far better suited, this is why we have pc's with both cpu's and either integrated or discrete gpu's. Intel haven't failed anyone - a degree of backwards compatibility and compatibility with a wide range of pc components and operating systems is crucial to the relative success and longevity of the x86 compatible personal computing market.
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Do pray tell, I thought it was because they were generally too powerful and hence use too much power for most 'non pc' use were Arm etc get used. Intel have had a stab at making different lines of low powered processors for phones and other mobile devices but haven't had much success breaking into an already well established marketplace.
I'm not sure how your wish of Intel selling us 20+ core £250 cpu sans igpu would help them break into any market outside the desktop enthusiast market, which is its self a niche of the overall pc marketplace anyhow?
Dx12 looks like I will somewhat improve hex core+ CPU usage bur again hex+ cpu cores is a very niche market in the pc gaming market so...
1) little incentive to go in for too much multithreading
2) the tasks employed may simply not benefit from more cores past a certain amount
And
3) I suspect making an API that could make use of a relatively high amount of cores reliably would be at the expense of performance on the vast majority of cpu's out there hence alienating the bulk of your consumers! This is one of the reasons improvements can seem rather slow in there increments.
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Shame it runs crap on my 5960X with 8/16 cores/threads lol.
Intel have the PC market more or less to themselves so they can push out any old rubbish and get away with it.
Unfortunately intels efforts to break into other markets have not gone anywhere near as well as there are already quality products in those markets and intel can not compete.
More cores lower clockspeed produces less heat than fewer cores higher clockspeed so there is a sound argument for more cores with the right software.
You would never believe my name is Robert Noyce lol.
Come on Kaap - its in alpha stage with no op......but showing DX 12 will do at least 12 threads so you're idea of it being limited is false to a point. Once they optimize this game you will come back and say you were wrong? Or will you still stick to your claim?
I think max DX 12 and along with Vulkan will be 16 threads/cores.....
We really don't have anything bigger than that for next 5+ years.
DX 12 will be on xboxone; and we know that has access up to 6 cores for games.......so we know it will use at least that; but most likely will be set for 8 cores/ 16 threads......for growth.
If MS wants to actually unify PC platform and Xboxone; they will have to do that......which would dig them out of somewhat of the hole they dug themselves this time round which Sony fully cap on......
When it does 16 threads I will say it does but at the moment it does not.
AOTS has a few other problems with DX12 which I have not mentioned and won't be as there is no point.
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Hope we hear some news in the New Year about pascal possible release date. Any news will do.
Quoted for truth.
You only need look at Future Marks API overhead test to see that DX12 at the moment at least is still thread limited.
For example.
DX12
Score: 18,566,111. 5960x @4Ghz - Fury_X @ Stock. AMDMatt: Link
Mantle
Score: 32,599,703. 5960x @4Ghz - Fury_X @ Stock. AMDMatt: Link
Now look at lower threaded CPU's
DX12
Score: 22,018,815. 3770K @4.4Ghz - 290 @ 1100/1400. win8.1: Link
Mantle
Score: 20,217,273. 3770K @4.4Ghz - 290 @ 1100/1400. win8.1: Link
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To be fair that's just a number. How do you if those extra cpu cores are doing anything useful?
usefull like what, making dinner for the 2 working cores ?
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That's the question isn't it. It's all very well being able to use extra cores but unless there actually contributing to actual performance gains or can widen the boundaries of what a game can deliver (such as extra ai units on a battlefield in Total War for example) were not going to benefit.
I honestly cannot see anywhere in that setup where one would think they were on their "last legs" o_O Okay, you GPUs are pretty old, replacing them with dual 970s/a 980ti/ dual 390s or something would work well.. but the rest of your system would likely see little benefit with an upgrade, depending on what it is you use it for
When I said it was on its last legs I didn't mean spec wise (I know I should really be good for another year or two at least with my current CPU) I meant that the system was unstable under Windows. I get complete freezes in Windows every now and again and I'm positive it is because I have some dodgy hardware somewhere.
New GPUs would be awesome (hence the reason I started this thread asking for when the new ones will be released) but I thought I might as well upgrade the whole system when Intel release the Broadwell-E CPUs in Q1 2016 and get a free CPU upgrade at the same time.
Hopefully that'll sort the whole system out. The next system I want to build I want to be as damn near silent as possible which is a new requirement for me. When I built my current system I didn't really care about noise I just put the maximum number of fans in to keep it as cool as possible without worrying about noise. This time will be different (although I'm not skilled enough to do water cooling unfortunately).
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I'm hoping for 980ti performance for 970 price with the XX70 when it releases next year.
my 970 is awesome but I will be upgrading to the next card and donating my g1 to my brother to replace his evga 760 2gb so everyone's a winner except my wallet
my 970 is awesome but I will be upgrading to the next card and donating my g1 to my brother to replace his evga 760 2gb so everyone's a winner except my wallet