Are we at Peak Humanity now?

If you are referring to me using the numbers, I don't think bombast is the correct terminology. I assume you didn't mean that me saying six million jews were killed as having little meaning in the discussion. Yes, they are both absolutely abhorrent genocides and the world should look on with shame at how little is being done. But to say they are comparable and there has been no improvement since the holocaust? Right.
 
dLockers said:
You are comparing the extermination of six million human beings to the 1 million Uyghur being socially cleansed? Both are absolutely disgusting atrocities but not at all comparable. To say we have not improved since the holocaust is quite honestly a shocking statement to make.
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As you said, it's a disgusting atrocity. And yet we go along with it. It might not be as bad as the Holocaust (although who the hell knows what's really going on in those camps), but it's proof that we haven't really learnt from history and therefore to say that we've improved in that regard is not true. The fact is, most people are happy to turn a blind eye.

dLockers said:
If you are referring to me using the numbers, I don't think bombast is the correct terminology. I assume you didn't mean that me saying six million jews were killed as having little meaning in the discussion. Yes, they are both absolutely abhorrent genocides and the world should look on with shame at how little is being done. But to say they are comparable and there has been no improvement since the holocaust? Right.
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They are comparable. Not in terms of numbers, but morally they're absolutely comparable. The main point is that people stood by and allowed genocide in the 1930s, and they allow it now. And you're trying to downplay it...
 
I've been careful to precisely not downplay it, as it is terrible. However it is a strawman at best, the point was whether we had improved as humanity. You are arguing ignorance is bliss, I am arguing visibility is half the battle. Depending on context, we are both right.
 
dLockers said:
You are comparing the extermination of six million human beings to the 1 million Uyghur being socially cleansed? Both are absolutely disgusting atrocities but not at all comparable. To say we have not improved since the holocaust is quite honestly a shocking statement to make.
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We have had Pol Pot in Cambodia, Bosnian conflict, Rwandan genocide and many more documented or not. The numbers are not that important in absolute terms, we still and always will have these happening around the world. Discounting China as less of a human rights issue than Nazi Germany is a mistake.
 
Getting back on topic then, are you arguing the the world has reached peak humanity because we will continue to have genocides? :confused:
 
There are more people in slavery today than at any other time in history, human nature really has not evolved or peaked since we were mere savages, all that has changed is the technology.
 
A. 'We have reached peak humanity!'

B. But arent you committing genocide at the moment?

A. 'Yes. But dont shock me by raining on my parade!'
 
Hagar said:
Nah you missed it. The 70's was where it was at. Kind of the peaking of the 1960's revolution, the music was great, it was easy and cheap to see top bands starting with the Isle of Wight festival in 1970 for under a fiver ticket price. Beer was good and again reasonably priced. Evenings out were with friends down the pub and a curry after. Nobody needed a mobile phone to stay in touch. People were usually nice to each other although an odd fight after hours was an occurrence. Even though there was not a lot of money around there was no worry about being scammed for your life savings by some Nigerian prince. Clothes were good if unusual at times. Television was pretty rubbish but then that has never reached peak anything except ****.
Yes the 1970's were it, starting when I became 18 ending when I was 28 years old.
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Exactly what a boomer would say surely :p


:D

Prime Nintendo
Prime SEGA
Prime internet birth
Prime MS Encarta 95
Optimus Prime
All the cartoons that were and will always remain the absolute classocs which would never even fly today because of PC culture
Toys that were genuinely cool and fun and didn't break within months
Gadgets that were genuinely high tech and useful rather than just an iteration or a distant dream
 
dLockers said:
Getting back on topic then, are you arguing the the world has reached peak humanity because we will continue to have genocides? :confused:
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I did argue that we were already past our peak earlier in the thread, and the fact that the genocide happening in China isn't quite as bad as the Holocaust hasn't changed my mind one bit.
 
RxR said:
A. 'We have reached peak humanity!'

B. But arent you committing genocide at the moment?

A. 'Yes. But dont shock me by raining on my parade!'
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Did you revert to person 'A' and 'B' because the person 'A' you inferred didn't make the first statement? :p

There are genocides, car crashes, malfeasance, blah blah. But the world by all measures is distinctly better than it has ever been. Ya'll cherry picking events then making subjective statements.
 
dLockers said:
Did you revert to person 'A' and 'B' because the person 'A' you inferred didn't make the first statement? :p

There are genocides, car crashes, malfeasance, blah blah. But the world by all measures is distinctly better than it has ever been. Ya'll cherry picking events then making subjective statements.
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Technical Pollyannaism generally falls under mere aspectual instrumentalism.
 
200sols said:
There are more people in slavery today than at any other time in history, human nature really has not evolved or peaked since we were mere savages, all that has changed is the technology.
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Can you please provide the source for that? That's not in line with what I've seen.

Outright slavery is absolutely unacceptable in almost the entire world (exceptions being N Korea, Sudan, Mauretania, ISIS controlled areas and a few others). With the exception of ISIS, those countries generally deny slavery exists- as they know it is unacceptable.

As per my usual disclaimer: I'm not having a go, just interested to see how you reached your conclusion.
 
potatolord said:
Can you please provide the source for that? That's not in line with what I've seen.

Outright slavery is absolutely unacceptable in almost the entire world (exceptions being N Korea, Sudan, Mauretania, ISIS controlled areas and a few others). With the exception of ISIS, those countries generally deny slavery exists- as they know it is unacceptable.

As per my usual disclaimer: I'm not having a go, just interested to see how you reached your conclusion.
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The underlying claim is impossible to prove as the data isn't there. The definition of slavery has also shifted significantly to incorporate a much broader spectrum.
 
dLockers said:
The underlying claim is impossible to prove as the data isn't there. The definition of slavery has also shifted significantly to incorporate a much broader spectrum.
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If the definition of slavery (humans as chattels, subject to death at the whim of the owner) has changed, that make the whole numbers game nonsense.

Not having a go at you! I just like to see the reasoning behind such claims.
 
potatolord said:
If the definition of slavery (humans as chattels, subject to death at the whim of the owner) has changed, that make the whole numbers game nonsense.

Not having a go at you! I just like to see the reasoning behind such claims.
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I was replying on behalf of sols tbf. I was going to make a post similar to yours but held off. This is the article I read about the claim a while back (Nov 2020). It is quite interesting, worth a quick scrim through at the very least.


https://medium.com/the-innovation/are-there-more-slaves-now-than-anytime-in-history-38420e0542e5
 
I think people are taking things too literally and maybe the op title is a bit misleading but I think he was generally looking at Western Culture as peak. It is pretty obvious that many parts of the world are decades behind.
 
potatolord said:
Can you please provide the source for that? That's not in line with what I've seen.

Outright slavery is absolutely unacceptable in almost the entire world (exceptions being N Korea, Sudan, Mauretania, ISIS controlled areas and a few others). With the exception of ISIS, those countries generally deny slavery exists- as they know it is unacceptable.

As per my usual disclaimer: I'm not having a go, just interested to see how you reached your conclusion.
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https://50forfreedom.org/modern-slavery/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20... that roughly,according to the latest figures

Of course the human population is so much larger than it was even in relatively recent history so as a percentage of world population I expect slavery is much less prominent than used to be but nevertheless it still exists.

dLockers said:
https://medium.com/the-innovation/are-there-more-slaves-now-than-anytime-in-history-38420e0542e5
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Yes that is a good read.
 
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