arrghhhh Nikon d750 or d500

D.P. · 28 Jul 2016 at 22:02

GAC said:
first up had the 5100 for over 4 years now, not a bad body but wanted a upgrade also wanted something weather sealed and a bit more robust.

on what i shoot alone im probably more leaning to the d500, but was looking at a d750 for the better low light capability. this is why i was after some general thoughts on if anyone had used both.

What is it about low-light that you particularly need? For landscapes you need a tripod and the sensor has little to do with it. When indoors you probably will be need to uses flashes even on a FF body. If it has to be hand held and natural light then I assume you have budgeted for a set of f/1.4 primes? Otherwise you might just be better served by a crop sensor and some modestly priced f/1.8 primes. Or just a good tripod.

The low light capabilities of a FF sensor are mostly in regards to shooting sports or wildlife where you need a fast shutter speed but a telephoto lens with reach, so you are lucky to be at f/2.8 and may well be at f/4.0 Then you need all the help you can get.

Holst1981 · 28 Jul 2016 at 22:40

I took some great shots at a wedding this wweeken and hhav plenty of decent wildlife shots using my 7100.

My problems are more down to technique and framing than the technical limits of the camera.

GAC · 29 Jul 2016 at 09:25

richdog i know my arse from my elbow thank you very much. the reason i didnt want to get in to the "what do you shoot" chat is i shoot whatever catches my fancy in front of me, i know its not the supposed done thing nowadays and everyone expects you to shoot specifics one way or another but i just enjoy getting out shooting when i can. hence i was asking if anyone had used both and what their views of them using them against each other, sure i can look at specs and list at what each one does well, but as i dont just shoot wildlife or just shoot landscapes or portraits so its hard to say "yeah thats the one for me"

as for the low light side DP its more just been a case when i have been out early morning or late on iv always wanted just that big better ability i know it cant make a huge difference but every little helps when the sun starts to drop. also with our gloomy weather it cant hurt.

ZG002 · 29 Jul 2016 at 11:00

When was the last time you were in a studio? Have you shot a sports event? Wildlife? There will be something you gravitate towards and other things you never do.

What glass do you currently own?

D.P. · 29 Jul 2016 at 11:19

GAC said:
richdog i know my arse from my elbow thank you very much. the reason i didnt want to get in to the "what do you shoot" chat is i shoot whatever catches my fancy in front of me, i know its not the supposed done thing nowadays and everyone expects you to shoot specifics one way or another but i just enjoy getting out shooting when i can. hence i was asking if anyone had used both and what their views of them using them against each other, sure i can look at specs and list at what each one does well, but as i dont just shoot wildlife or just shoot landscapes or portraits so its hard to say "yeah thats the one for me"

as for the low light side DP its more just been a case when i have been out early morning or late on iv always wanted just that big better ability i know it cant make a huge difference but every little helps when the sun starts to drop. also with our gloomy weather it cant hurt.

Sounds like you need a tripod and not a new camera.

xaldub · 29 Jul 2016 at 11:39

D.P. said:
Sounds like you need a tripod and not a new camera.

+1

OP, it sounds to me as if you are a casual shooter with an interest in general photography. As good a camera as the D500 is it won't transform your output without a better knowledge of what it is you want to achieve.

Richdog · 29 Jul 2016 at 16:27

GAC said:
richdog i know my arse from my elbow thank you very much. the reason i didnt want to get in to the "what do you shoot" chat is i shoot whatever catches my fancy in front of me, i know its not the supposed done thing nowadays and everyone expects you to shoot specifics one way or another but i just enjoy getting out shooting when i can. hence i was asking if anyone had used both and what their views of them using them against each other, sure i can look at specs and list at what each one does well, but as i dont just shoot wildlife or just shoot landscapes or portraits so its hard to say "yeah thats the one for me"

as for the low light side DP its more just been a case when i have been out early morning or late on iv always wanted just that big better ability i know it cant make a huge difference but every little helps when the sun starts to drop. also with our gloomy weather it cant hurt.

GAC , you are massively over-complicating what is a very simple concept. By asking what you shoot people can then tell you if spending a significant amount of extra money on a specific camera with specific strengths would be worthwhile. If you shoot everything, but only fast action 5% of the time then is a D500 really worth it over a D7200 when their image quality is very similar? If hand-held low light capability for landscapes was so important, then would you even be considering anything else but a D750?

It's just about using a little knouse.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:36

Emm,I have used my 28-70MM/F3.5-4.5 fine walking around in the evening??

But when I was using film,I essentially limited myself to 400 ASA film,because 800 and 1600 ASA film was marginal. I have used the Sony A200 and D80 and they were not that great at ISO 800 and ISO1600 too(but better than film). The 24MP FF sensor in the D600/D610/D750 and other cameras is fantastic in low light. ISO 800 and ISO 1600 is still clean,and even ISO 3200 is usable.

My mate with a D3300 with his 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G hit noise issues much quicker,and the only way he solved the issue was buying a Sigma 18-35MM/F1.8 lens which is massive,but it is fantastic as a lens!!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:44

GAC said:
first up had the 5100 for over 4 years now, not a bad body but wanted a upgrade also wanted something weather sealed and a bit more robust.

on what i shoot alone im probably more leaning to the d500, but was looking at a d750 for the better low light capability. this is why i was after some general thoughts on if anyone had used both.

However,the D5100 has one of the finest APS-C sensors ever made - that 16MP one is great in low light.

If you want better low light ability,a cheaper way would be to get something like this:

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/872-sigma1835f18_canon
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-18-35mm-f-1.8-DC-HSM-Lens.aspx

It gives the equivalent of a 28-50MM/F2.8 full frame lens and is tack sharp(mate has one). Only thing it lacks VR.

It also does not go very wide or very long too.

Edit!!

If you want more protection for your camera,you can ECND5100 body armour for your D5100 for around £20.

Also,the Op/Tech Rainsleeve is around £6:

http://optechusa.com/rainsleeve.html

squerble · 4 Aug 2016 at 09:57

GAC, you're not willing to say what you shoot mostly, but it's usually helpful to know.

What will be more helpful to know is exactly which lenses you have currently. Can you give us a list?

MichaelAwkward · 4 Aug 2016 at 10:23

^That.

If you're using the D5100 with just the kit lens, and getting poor results, upgrading to the D500/D750 won't solve all your problems. If however, you're using it with the 17-55 F2.8 and not getting the results you want, then there is a case for upgrading.

D.P. · 4 Aug 2016 at 11:37

MichaelAwkward said:
^That.

If you're using the D5100 with just the kit lens, and getting poor results, upgrading to the D500/D750 won't solve all your problems. If however, you're using it with the 17-55 F2.8 and not getting the results you want, then there is a case for upgrading.

If the OP Is using d5100 and a 17-55mm f/2.8 and getting poor results they probably need to invest in of some books and classes over more gear. Comsidering the OP has seemingly abandoned this thread he was probably a naive begginer wanting a new toy as a quick fix to improve his photos. The person behind the camera is probably more limiting than the camera itself.

GAC · 4 Aug 2016 at 11:55

D.P. said:
If the OP Is using d5100 and a 17-55mm f/2.8 and getting poor results they probably need to invest in of some books and classes over more gear. Comsidering the OP has seemingly abandoned this thread he was probably a naive begginer wanting a new toy as a quick fix to improve his photos. The person behind the camera is probably more limiting than the camera itself.

well after that bit of advice il abandon the thread as it seems one or two in here are more up for mocking people or making random comments to get their jollies.

D.P. · 4 Aug 2016 at 16:18

GAC said:
well after that bit of advice il abandon the thread as it seems one or two in here are more up for mocking people or making random comments to get their jollies.

We've given you plenty of advice but you don't seem very keen to answer any one questions when they are trying to help you.

If you want more help then you need to answer these questions:
1) What is it you shoot the most, what is your favorite subject.
2) What limitations do you currently have
3) What lenses do you own?
3) what id your budget for new lenses
4) What tripod do you have, and are you using it tor resolve your low-light issues?
5) Do you own flash and use that for moving subject occasions?
6) What aperture are you shooting your favorite subjects at?

I stand by my assertions: a tripod and some photography books are going to be your best investment.

Richdog · 4 Aug 2016 at 22:02

GAC said:
well after that bit of advice il abandon the thread as it seems one or two in here are more up for mocking people or making random comments to get their jollies.

Peopley have presented you with relevant questions and you haven't helped yourself by being vague and unspecific with your answers. Maybe its time for you to go and do some more research and come to an informed decision, or actually provide detailed responses to the people taking their valuable time to help you here.

From the meagre responses you have given so far, it just sounds like you don't have the technical knowledge on the subject with which to provide the answers, and I would hazard a guess that you shoot mainly on Auto and are expecting to throw money at a D500/D750 to provide an instant upgrade.

Always happy to be proved wrong, though.

squerble · 5 Aug 2016 at 10:59

GAC said:
well after that bit of advice il abandon the thread as it seems one or two in here are more up for mocking people or making random comments to get their jollies.

If you'd answer our questions, you'd get helpful answers. We need to know what your other gear is.

If you're using your D5100 with the kit lens, then your next option could be to get the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 which would give you a lot more freedom in low-light situations. If you're already using a raft of f/2.8 lenses, then maybe we could suggest going for the D750. If you're using f/2.8 lenses designed for DX cameras, then you need to factor in buying new lenses too, etc etc etc.

We need to know these details to help you. We want to help you - why can't you just tell us your lenses?

Gungnir · 6 Aug 2016 at 09:51

If you read through previous threads by the op they tend to contradict each other.

Indecisive or attention seeking. Who knows?