Arsenal 'target of £1.5bn takeover'

Purdy · 4 Mar 2013 at 15:29

Why do people think FFP rules are ever going to be maintained properly

drunkenmaster · 4 Mar 2013 at 15:43

DanH84 said:
Why do people keep saying united aren't meeting ffp rules?

People don't understand debt, profit or how stupid corrupt most organisations like Fifa/Uefa/governments/local community groups, everyones in it for themselves.

FFP, if punishments are handed out are likely to be nothing more than lining the pockets of Fifa/Uefa/FA depending on which rule you break.

Look at championship rules, its along the lines of, spend 1mil more than the club makes, pay a 100k fine, spend 5mil more, pay a 2.5mil fine, spend 10mil more, pay a 5mil fine... you still get to be in the league. Its just a money making scheme, the more a team spends to get out of the championship, the more the FA rake in with fines. I expect the champions league, and prem league FFP rules to essentially do the same.

FA/Uefa/Fifa see City spending 500million over a few years and just want their piece of the pie.

opethdisciple · 4 Mar 2013 at 23:01

drunkenmaster said:
People don't understand debt, profit or how stupid corrupt most organisations like Fifa/Uefa/governments/local community groups, everyones in it for themselves.

FFP, if punishments are handed out are likely to be nothing more than lining the pockets of Fifa/Uefa/FA depending on which rule you break.

Look at championship rules, its along the lines of, spend 1mil more than the club makes, pay a 100k fine, spend 5mil more, pay a 2.5mil fine, spend 10mil more, pay a 5mil fine... you still get to be in the league. Its just a money making scheme, the more a team spends to get out of the championship, the more the FA rake in with fines. I expect the champions league, and prem league FFP rules to essentially do the same.

FA/Uefa/Fifa see City spending 500million over a few years and just want their piece of the pie.

The punishment is expulsion from the Champions league. Enforcing it is another matter.

explicit4u · 5 Mar 2013 at 08:52

If anyone has 10 minutes to spare there's a very good article on Forbes about Arsenal, our financial situation and this rumoured take over.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymc...r-bid-for-arsenal-arrived-only-a-decade-late/

Newbie007 · 5 Mar 2013 at 09:31

Do people still think this is legit?

fez · 5 Mar 2013 at 14:17

drunkenmaster said:
Look at championship rules, its along the lines of, spend 1mil more than the club makes, pay a 100k fine, spend 5mil more, pay a 2.5mil fine, spend 10mil more, pay a 5mil fine... you still get to be in the league. Its just a money making scheme, the more a team spends to get out of the championship, the more the FA rake in with fines. I expect the champions league, and prem league FFP rules to essentially do the same.

FA/Uefa/Fifa see City spending 500million over a few years and just want their piece of the pie.

What a strange take on the FFP rules. If I run a football club that pays £50 a month in wages and make a profit at the end of the year of £200, getting fined £5000 wouldn't do me much good. Using the championship model as a comparison is a silly one. They won't be running the same scheme.

Getting into the latter stages of the CL is vital if you want to throw around serious money so I doubt that City or any other club would be willing to take a chance they will be banned for a few years.

Lets say City are kicked out of the CL for a couple of season due to ignoring FFP , suddenly its the top 4 bar City that are in the CL. Those 4 clubs have suddenly got way more disposable cash to spend than City. 2 years later, City have now fallen in the pecking order due to lack of investment. If they decide to dig into their own pockets to compete again, the same will happen.

I have no idea why people think that the FFP rules won't be applied.

drunkenmaster · 5 Mar 2013 at 16:16

Its not that no one thinks FFP rules won't be applied, the RULES have been applied already, there is absolutely no official information on the PUNISHMENTS for breaking the rules... this is where the latitude is. The rules were made a couple of years before they even thought about the punishments. THis is the point, the punishments will end up being a cash making device, you can make £30mil being in the champs league, you broke the rules badly, we're going to charge you £25mil to stay in the competition, so you can still make money, we make money, everyones happy.

Also the problem with your situation is, City get thrown out of the champs league... this is because they'd be spending more money than they have, none of that leads to the other teams having more disposable money, at all. City have blown half a billion in a few years, they've only made maybe £20mil off extra champs league money.

Being in or out of the champions league has zero effect on City's ability to spend, none at all.

Also, again, no one knows what the punishments will end up being.

I'm also not sure what you mean about the championship rules, its a case of if a club is making a 1million loss, they get fined a percentage, if you spend 5mil more the percentage increases disporportionately, the more you spend, the bigger the fine gets. This is almost certainly how both prem league and champs league punishments will actually end up being.

If some small team from Belgium gets into the champs league but went 1 mil over allowable losses, minor fine, if City go 70million over the allowable spending, they get fined HUGE.

There is no reason to exclude teams from the champions league, why, because Uefa would merely be weakening the champions league, leaving less desireable fixtures to see on tv, and less interest means less profit. You think if Utd, Real, Barca and Bayern all broke the rules Uefa would exclude all the most watched teams in the competition... shooting themselves in the foot by decreasing tv audiences and advertising money? Uefa do something to reduce their own profits, seriously..... this is why no one believes the punishments will be serious.