Article 13 (The Meme Ban)

IronWarrior · 29 Nov 2018 at 10:51

If you've been lurking around the internet recently, you may have seen a lot of drama about this "Article 13" in the EU going around. Since most of the other sites are political action groups that want your money, and many others do a garbage job of explaining this, I'll try to explain this as briefly and simply as possible.

What is it?
This whole deal is Article 13 of Proposal for a Directive of the European Parliament and of the Council on copyright in the Digital Single Market. Essentially, it proposes to the governments of the EU that they should require sites to host bots that check all work uploaded against a database of copyrighted materials.

This would be a requirement for all sites accessible within these countries, like GDPR. Unlike GDPR, this is not in the best interest of users, but rather large corporations with vast amounts of copyright material.

https://dontwreckthe.net < I prefer this version

https://saveyourinternet.eu

https://www.youtube.com/saveyourinternet/

Kinda surprising no one is talking about this here, but it needs to be made known, Article 13 is bad, different parts of it is written in such a bad way. GDPR has already shown that many websites will just block the EU from visiting them, especially news sites. Each day, I click a link somewhere in Reddit to find that the website is blocked.

Article 13 if it goes ahead in it's full without the changes, will be worst. It could literally split the Internet in half, with EU on one side and everyone else on the other side. YouTube and Reddit are prime targets that could be broken in half and that's if YouTube doesn't block everyone from the EU that their latest messages on Twitter making it suggest they might.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1061966081005379584

https://twitter.com/YTCreators/status/1061966081005379584

YouTube might block the EU from uploading videos and people outside of YouTube will lose EU viewers and this also affects Twitch. Pretty much everything, Gaming in theory could be affected too.

Rroff · 29 Nov 2018 at 10:57

GDPR has quite frankly become the biggest mess I've ever seen - I had to take some casual sites offline just so I didn't accidentally have legal issues

I can't see this being any different really.

Spuj · 29 Nov 2018 at 10:58

I really can't see Youtube, Twitch etc are just going to accept the massive losses in revenue that they would experience through this?

krooton · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:01

It will certainly stop all of the sites the I use to host my mixes

esoteric · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:06

I understand the desire to protect copyright but going this way about it, potentially dividing the Internet is insane.

glenimp617 · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:15

Rroff said:
GDPR has quite frankly become the biggest mess I've ever seen - I had to take some casual sites offline just so I didn't accidentally have legal issues I can't see this being any different really.

I had a meeting with one of the top commvault directors a few months back. He was explaining about all their upcoming products and upgrades for GDPR. Unfortunately, as he agreed, most are meaingless.
The product will be able to identify data which should not be accessible due to GDPR.....however, the entire system falls over by simply inserting an old tape (preupdate) into a foreign commvault backup system. He said "nobody really understands GDPR do they"

Monkeynut · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:15

The problem is that it's being written by dinosaurs who don't understand how the internet works.

grudas · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:19

Monkeynut said:
The problem is that it's being written by dinosaurs who don't understand how the internet works.

this is the problem. People creating laws that do not understand how things work.

glenimp617 · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:19

esoteric said:
I understand the desire to protect copyright but going this way about it, potentially dividing the Internet is insane.

a better idea would be to have two internets. One for people who used it in the 90s (ie intelligent people), and the second one for the social media idiots. Stick facebook, snapchat, daily mail onto the second one....and leave the first one alone for everyone to enjoy. The government can meddle all they like with the second one.

Hang on, have I just explained the darkweb?

Rroff · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:26

TheOracle said:
He said "nobody really understands GDPR do they"

It is one of the problems - it was simpler for me just to kill off some old sites though they potentially had some legacy resource value than try and figure out my exposure.

glenimp617 · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:28

Rroff said:
It is one of the problems - it was simpler for me just to kill off some old sites though they potentially had some legacy resource value than try and figure out my exposure.

Sometimes it's the easiest way, most of the time the only way, and by far the most cost effective way

Rids · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:33

I wonder if we'd still enact Article 13 once we're no longer an EU member state.

grudas · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:41

Rids said:
I wonder if we'd still enact Article 13 once we're no longer an EU member state.

yes of course..

I've got a website with 30k+ members.. and another image hosting site with 500k + images..

things are not looking great for either

Minusorange · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:47

TheOracle said:
Hang on, have I just explained the darkweb?

I heard that place is dangerous

solado · 29 Nov 2018 at 11:53

My brother runs a very successful YouTube channel and he's terrified of Article 13. We're not talking about a kid with a camera either he is paying 6 figure tax sums yearly. The nature of his content, while it doesn't infringe copyright would fall into Article 13 blanket content ban on YouTube (CEO herself gave great examples).

Him and other content creators on his scale who work along side him are putting plans into place to move to America if pushed through and his business is at risk. It's almost like the EU is trying to destroy industries.

bsoltan · 29 Nov 2018 at 12:27

Nothing seems to say about what the general public can do about it. Is there anything?

Amleto · 29 Nov 2018 at 12:34

bsoltan said:
Nothing seems to say about what the general public can do about it. Is there anything?

No, I think only MEPs, european council and/or commission can.

bsoltan · 29 Nov 2018 at 12:43

Amleto said:
No, I think only MEPs, european council and/or commission can.

So it is just an awareness thing.

In America when Net Neutrality was coming people, companies and websites were campaigning for citizens to contact their local government officials to let them know they were against the decision and ask what they were doing for their constituents.

Is not possible to do something similar here?

Minusorange · 29 Nov 2018 at 12:53

bsoltan said:
Is not possible to do something similar here?

Well you can write to the MEP's but I doubt they'll listen

With any luck this thing will go through, backfire and kill the cancerous copyright protection industry

ianh · 29 Nov 2018 at 15:13

TheOracle said:
a better idea would be to have two internets. One for people who used it in the 90s (ie intelligent people), and the second one for the social media idiots. Stick facebook, snapchat, daily mail onto the second one....and leave the first one alone for everyone to enjoy. The government can meddle all they like with the second one.

Hang on, have I just explained the darkweb?

This, a million times this! When the web was a difficult place to access with a physical modem and phone line and a good knowledge of PC's etc, the web seemed a happier place but, as we've dumbed it down so any 1 brain cell moron can grunt out "what's your wifi password mate", the web has become a toxic place.