Asking for CCTV footage?

geeza said:
sounds right, i remember reading the data protection act as part of some college crap i did. the £10 fee stuck i my head though and its about all i remembered

most things like this have a small admin fee attached (thats how they can charge for giving you your credit report etc). back in 98 when I did DPA stuff I don't recall them mentioning anything about a max fee but I think that if they are charging too much theres a complaints precedure that you can take it up with (somthing about them making it hard for you to get your info rather than it being an actual representation of what it costs them)
 
the guy's clearly an idiot, the girls in our subway hand them out like they were sweets - but the fact is you don't want this on your employment record so you do need to do something about it.

First of all I'd do as Tru said and go see the CAB. But also make a list of the exact events as you remember them in chronological order. Even if it doesn't get you your job back you can have the fact that you were fired for misconduct removed and get the idiot who did it into some serious trouble with his superiors. If the area manager has changed, go higher again.

Thing is though, if you did give the stamps out, why do you need CCTV? To prove the customer was upset?

Finally, if you're on record as being fired and the shop goes under, I don't think they can take the dismissal off record, so do it quick :)
 
Lt. Manlove said:
I gave an unhappy customer two extra stamps. He is referring to it as misconduct and company theft. Just in time for my pay review yay



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Two stamps??! Isnt that like one fifth of a 6" Sub? couldnt you just give your managed 80p to "cover his loss"?
 
Was said:
they have to provide you with a copy, if they give you problems ask to speak to the data protection officer - they have to have one...
Erm .... no, they don't.

It's true that the basic principle gives the data subject right of access, but there are several get-out conditions, such as the purpose for which the images are "processed". If that purpose was for prevention or detection of crime, for instance, they can use that to deny access.

People often think that the Dasta Protection Act gives them blanket access to "data" about themselves. It does not. It gives a basic presumption of access, unless any one of a variety of exemptions applies .... and one thing that will certainly complicate and possible preclude release is if disclosure would infringe anybody else's right to privacy, such as another person on the tape, because that person also has rights of non-disclosure to third parties embedded in precisely the same DP Act. It then comes down to a decision on the part of the data controller as to the balance between rights of the various data subjects, and to any potential legal challenge of that decision.

Lt. Manlove, you can certainly ask for the footage, but don't be too surprised if you're told "no", and if the only way you can try (perhaps unsuccessfully) to force access is through court action. And if you're going to do that, don't hang about, because another aspect of the Data Protection Act is that data shall only be retailed while necessary and the Office of the Information Commissioner's guidelines on that mandate a maximum of 28 days retention for CCTV footage, unless there is a reason for retaining it for longer .... such as evidential purposes in a criminal action.
 
Ok well obviously I took out JSA to help me through difficult times and i've just found a job in a small bar. Not very good really and only about 11 hours a week.

The Job Centre have paused with providing me JSA because my previous manager had contacted them with that letter saying I had given out 15+ stamps etc. The Job Centre are awaiting a reply from me and below is a letter I want to send to them.

Now at the moment, only working 11 hours a week at minimum wage I would like to try and get JSA for a little while longer while I find a second job.

If you could proof read my letter that would be great!

I used my professional discretion in determining the best way to deal with the customer. The customer had already paid for a sandwich and therefore was already entitled to two stamps. From previous experience working at McDonald's for two years as a staff trainer and various meetings about hospitality I knew this was the only way to resolve the problem; there are no resources in dealing with customer complaints at Subway Rhyl, nor had I been briefed on how to handle them - so I had to improvise and felt stamps were appropiate.

Mr Manager's comment on storing the stamps in the safe are correct, but the safe which was used had a broke locking mechanism (no locking mechanism) and so there was no security at all. Obviously the employees were rightfuly trusted but if these were of value at all then surely they should have been stored properly along with the company's capital. The stamp dispenser records how many stamps have been ejected, but because half the customers do not ask for their stamps you are left with a substantial amount left over so figures are always under at the end of the day anyway.

Mr Manager's regular inconsistent feedback is poor for team performance. He had said 'you have excellent customer service' prior to this issue so I felt trusted to bring my experience and to handle complaints and keep customers happy whenever they had received a poor service by me or other employees. All previous employees are barred for 'security reasons'.

If Mr Manager had dealt with the inncident maturely such as a simple disciplinary, we would both have benefited - he would still currently employ an excellent sales assistant and I would have not been made unemployed. The fact of the matter is that this issue is so petty it is not worth debating.

As it stands, Subway are saying goodbye to they 'Sub Club' stamp scheme at the end of the month and I have not heard of any replacements to Subway's loyalty scheme. This means stamps will soon be worthless.
 
i thought you had to fill up the 8 stamp spots on the card and it was only valid in the month of the first stamp anyway... and that gave you a free 6" sub....

you can have my two if you like :P

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Lt. Manlove said:
I gave an unhappy customer two extra stamps. He is referring to it as misconduct and company theft. Just in time for my pay review yay



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The ****?! A guy I knew used to work at subways, yeah so I used to give him free drinks at the bar, and I got free footlongs. Nothing ever happened, in fact he used to chill with his manager no drugs references! at the end of each shift :p

To sack you for that is just lame. Veeery lame.
 
In your draft of the letter you should really put in that it was just 2 stamps. Don't make any reference to your manager saying that it was 15 but you need to make it perfectly clear it was 2 that you gave away.
 
IIRC You can request a video of CCTV from any shop you've been into providing you pay like a tenner... Thats what my citizenship teacher told us anyway, and she was pretty sorted when it came to you're rights.

Hope it helps & good luck :)
 
Melm0 said:
IIRC You can request a video of CCTV from any shop you've been into providing you pay like a tenner... Thats what my citizenship teacher told us anyway, and she was pretty sorted when it came to you're rights.

Hope it helps & good luck :)

Why do people post iwthout reading the whole thread :(
 
Before you go spending your time and money - nice and simple question.

Were you in a position at the company where you were authorised to offer any kind of compensation to an upset customer?

Not interested in "It is an acceptable form....." or "Everyone does it...."
Were you authorised to hand over anything free to a customer because they were making a complaint without first speaking to your manager?

Just trying to save you hassle.
On the surface it looks like they over-reacted etc.
And in true OcUK style everyone rushes to defend without looking at both sides of the story or the basic legallity of things.
I'm surprised you haven't had the "Sue them" posts yet.
 
Lt. Manlove said:
Ok well obviously I took out JSA to help me through difficult times and i've just found a job in a small bar. Not very good really and only about 11 hours a week.

The Job Centre have paused with providing me JSA because my previous manager had contacted them with that letter saying I had given out 15+ stamps etc. The Job Centre are awaiting a reply from me and below is a letter I want to send to them.

Now at the moment, only working 11 hours a week at minimum wage I would like to try and get JSA for a little while longer while I find a second job.

If you could proof read my letter that would be great!
I don't normally point out spelling-type errors, but since you've asked, I'll do so if you wish, as there are a few in there. However, I'd be more concerned about the tone of the letter if I were you.

Lt. M, I may be reading too much into this and I don't remember (or didn't see) the previous thread, so I'm going purely by what's in this thread. The tone of that letter is entirely self-justifying and I'm not sure that's the right stance to take, whether you feel that and sincerely believe that or not. Dpn't think about how you see the situation, but about how the recipient of the letter will see it. Take a step back, if you can, and look at it objectively. Stoofa is right in his post above to query .... did you actually have authority to give out these additional stamps, or did you just assume it? The problem, you see, is that if any employee just feels he can make discretionary "gifts", where do you draw the line?

I fully agree that if this is simply about two stamps, it is (IMHO) a gross over-reaction. If, however, there is more to it than that (such as previous incidents, prior warnings, etc) it would put a rather different context on things.

But that aside, my main concern would be that that letters says you still think you did nothing wrong. Whether you are correct in that depends, in my view, on whether you had been given authority to dispense 'customer service sweeteners' or whether you just took it upon yourself you do so.

If staff can just decide for themselves to do this, then why just do that? Why not a cash refund? Why not free sandwiches? Why not agree contracts with suppliers? Why not decide on a company rights issue of shares? Okay, I'm going a bit far, you you see the point? What authority just an employee decide to take for himself? Where's the line? When can any employee commit the company to something, just because he thinks it's right?

You SHOULD have been told what the limits were, either explicitly by a manager, or by a company policy booklet which you were instructed to read.

So, if I were you, I'd revise that letter somewhat. I'd explain that the situation was that you gave two free stamps (not fifteen as has been alleged) in response to a customer complaint. Previous working practice and experience at other retailers had led you to believe this was not only acceptable behaviour but standard practice for a justified customer complaint, and that it had not been made clear to you that staff were not allowed to exercise even such minor discretion.

What I'd be trying to imply, without overtly saying, is that yes, you realise perhaps you acted beyond what the company expected and perhaps exceeded your authority, but :-

1) The manager is now lying about the extent of the action
2) The manager was remiss in his own duties for not properly traing staff
3) It's a trivial matter anyway, so wtf is all the fuss about?

As I say, you do NOT want to actually explicitly state those points. Your letter wants to be polite and professional in tone, but those points are the subtext. You want the reader to end up thinking, as I rather imagine most readers of this thread are thinking, wtf is this manager's problem? :confused: :confused:

As a business owner, MY reaction to your acts would probably be "well done, nicely handled", or at worst "please refer that to a manager or supervisor next time". I can't help but think that there is more to this than is apparent, whether it's prior history, or just that the manager has taken a personal dislike to you for some reason, or whatever, because to sack someone for what appears to be a decent action resulting in a quarter of a free sandwich is just pathetic. If that was my business, I'd be more inclined to sack any manager that acted that way, because they clearly don't have the temperament to act calmly and professionally .... if this is all that's going on.

But, back to the point, based on what you've told us, this does seem like a ludicrous over-reaction and THAT is exactly the reaction you want your letter to evoke in the Job Centre people.
 
stoofa said:
Before you go spending your time and money - nice and simple question.

Were you in a position at the company where you were authorised to offer any kind of compensation to an upset customer?

Not interested in "It is an acceptable form....." or "Everyone does it...."
Were you authorised to hand over anything free to a customer because they were making a complaint without first speaking to your manager?

Just trying to save you hassle.
On the surface it looks like they over-reacted etc.
And in true OcUK style everyone rushes to defend without looking at both sides of the story or the basic legallity of things.
I'm surprised you haven't had the "Sue them" posts yet.
I completely agree, stoofa, about "acceptable reaction" and "everyone does it" but ..... isn't dismissal a rather silly response to two free stamps? Wouldn't a calm smacked wrist and "don't do that again, call a manager next time" be a more professional response, and a more proportionate reaction, than firing someone?
 
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