Aspartame Is Not Evil!

Used to get recurrent headaches in my teens. Someone suggested it might be 'NutraSweet' so I stopped drinking the copious amounts of Diet Coke I was putting away. The headaches stopped and have never recurred. Good enough for me.
 
Its certainly not (completely) innocuous stuff - as I've mentioned before I found it was the cause of headaches and some other health issues I was having via elimination testing before I'd even heard of aspartame let alone any negative views of it.

I get a headache when I consume it, funny you dont when in a double blind trial.

Meh I'm fairly certain I wouldn't fail a double blind trial - sure it might not be a problem for 90% of the population but for me it has a similar effect as certain artificial colourings (which again don't cause a problem for a lot of people - but for me has a fairly severe reaction).
 
Meh I'm fairly certain I wouldn't fail a double blind trial - sure it might not be a problem for 90% of the population but for me it has a similar effect as certain artificial colourings (which again don't cause a problem for a lot of people - but for me has a fairly severe reaction).

That's what everyone in the trials say and they all failed
 
ahh medical "science"

1950's: 'smoke, its good for you' and 'put this raduim in your water, the radiation will kill the germs and make it safe to drink'

and since then pretty much everything has at some stage been "proved" to give you cancer/lung problems/heart disease to being "proved" that they reduce all of the above.

hell there's even studies suggesting radiation in small doses prevents cancer. [based off animals in the area around chernobyl]

if you read too much into these things you'll probably live a normal life until you worry yourself to death. as much as science can prove things, when it comes to the topic of preventative health there's not much they could tell you that your grandparents couldn't have told you about eating good hearty meals, exercising and not having too much of anything.

This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of science and the scientific method. The whole "x causes/prevents cancer" that you often read in the Daily Mail is usually a single piece of evidence in a very narrow set of circumstances. When you look at a body of evidence, examined over a long period which has been systematically reviewed, the conclusions are usually the closest thing that we come to "proof".
 
That's what everyone in the trials say and they all failed

I can quite easily accept that it isn't as "toxic" as some make it out to be and/or even has 0 negative effect whatsoever for the larger proportion of the population but it definitely has an effect on me - I can turn the affects of it on and off like a light reliably. Having a fairly severe intolerance to for instance E102 (and others) and being aware of the subject in general I don't see it as being so far fetched that I'm also intolerant to other additives like E951 and fairly confident in the procedure used to narrow intolerances down to specific additives.
 
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I can quite easily accept that it isn't as "toxic" as some make it out to be and/or even has 0 negative effect whatsoever for the larger proportion of the population but it definitely has an effect on me - I can turn the affects of it on and off like a light reliably. Having a fairly severe intolerance to for instance E102 and being aware of the subject in general I don't see it as being so far fetched that I'm also intolerant to other additives like E951 and fairly confident in the procedure used to narrow intolerances down to specific additives.

I wouldn't rule out that you are intollerant, at all. However my mum claims to be MSG sensitive, and makes the same sort of claims about MSG as you have about aspartame.

And I know for a fact that she's eaten food with MSG in multiple times and not had any of the symptoms she thinks she gets. So basically, she only gets the symptoms when she knows she's had MSG.
 
I can quite easily accept that it isn't as "toxic" as some make it out to be and/or even has 0 negative effect whatsoever for the larger proportion of the population but it definitely has an effect on me - I can turn the affects of it on and off like a light reliably. Having a fairly severe intolerance to for instance E102 and being aware of the subject in general I don't see it as being so far fetched that I'm also intolerant to other additives like E951 and fairly confident in the procedure used to narrow intolerances down to specific additives.

Which again is exactly same as several studies. All off which failed under double blind trail. Ie the symptoms are made up and are psychosomatic.

You seem to think these studies miss people like you. They don't they advertise for people exactly like you who believe they are intolerant. Then put them in a double blind trial and they fail.
 
This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of science and the scientific method. The whole "x causes/prevents cancer" that you often read in the Daily Mail is usually a single piece of evidence in a very narrow set of circumstances. When you look at a body of evidence, examined over a long period which has been systematically reviewed, the conclusions are usually the closest thing that we come to "proof".

true, although the point i take from it is that what now may be considered true, doesn't necessarily mean that 5, 10, 20 years down the line will have been either confirmed or disproved.

whilst your right the long term lessons can be taken seriously, when it comes to biology especially the rule for one is not always the rule for all.
 
true, although the point i take from it is that what now may be considered true, doesn't necessarily mean that 5, 10, 20 years down the line will have been either confirmed or disproved.

whilst your right the long term lessons can be taken seriously, when it comes to biology especially the rule for one is not always the rule for all.

But you should make decisions based on the best available evidence at the time. You can't do any better than that.
 
But you should make decisions based on the best available evidence at the time. You can't do any better than that.

The main problem is the evidence, there isn't much in the way of 'best' most of the time.

We've had 50 years of studies funded by corn farmers telling the world that the majority of your diet should basically be anything they grow. This is true of both the US and UK and many other places. CHeap easy to grow and cheaper than vegetables so just pay for studies that tells everyone to eat it, thus then grow it, then create new products and ways to stick things made out of corn into every food possible.

Politics gets in the way of most things you could call good research and when those who make the most money can influence scientific studies so easily it's hard to presume that most of what we read is accurate or true. Supermarkets have been making "healthy" foods, meals, that remove fats and add even more carbs because fats are bad and carbs are good.... which accompanied a 50 year period in which health has gone to hell, health care costs are sky rocketing and obesity has become so prevalent.

This is what trusting the best evidence does. WE blindly followed studies backed by farmers that magically recommended eating more of their product and less of others products. Consistently worsening health and still this was the recommendation for a VERY long time, it's still generally recommended as in most people have been told this for 50 years so believe it to be true.

The FDA in america is a complete joke and the organisations over here aren't much better.
 
I guy I work with had a health problem and got messed around by the NHS who couldn't figure out what it was, so he became full on obsessed with Ayruvedic medicine and now thinks that dairy and gluten are poisonous and everything has chemicals in it.

He doesn't eat anything except vegetables he cooks at home since he doesn't trust any food now. Doesn't eat pizza, chips, chocolate or anything else tasty. Pretty bleak existance IMO, but he thinks it will stop him getting cancer (or lower the risk significantly).
 
I guy I work with had a health problem and got messed around by the NHS who couldn't figure out what it was, so he became full on obsessed with Ayruvedic medicine and now thinks that dairy and gluten are poisonous and everything has chemicals in it.

He doesn't eat anything except vegetables he cooks at home since he doesn't trust any food now. Doesn't eat pizza, chips, chocolate or anything else tasty. Pretty bleak existance IMO, but he thinks it will stop him getting cancer (or lower the risk significantly).

Yep, some people are crazy, it would be very easy for the NHS to detect if he had a gluten intolerance.

His new diet is probably doing him more harm than good.
 
Yep, some people are crazy, it would be very easy for the NHS to detect if he had a gluten intolerance.

His new diet is probably doing him more harm than good.

Yeah, you wouldn't believe the stuff this guy comes up with. He thinks even if you aren't intolerant, gluten provides no benefit to the body, so he doesn't eat it. He says he doesn't eat for enjoyment now, he just eats whatever gives him nutrients...
 
I guy I work with had a health problem and got messed around by the NHS who couldn't figure out what it was, so he became full on obsessed with Ayruvedic medicine and now thinks that dairy and gluten are poisonous and everything has chemicals in it.

He doesn't eat anything except vegetables he cooks at home since he doesn't trust any food now. Doesn't eat pizza, chips, chocolate or anything else tasty. Pretty bleak existance IMO, but he thinks it will stop him getting cancer (or lower the risk significantly).

It will lower the risk, that's for sure, however, he will most likely be depriving his body of certain trace elements / vitamins / minerals or protein - at least in the long term anyway. That said, I do agree that dairy and meat should be your first choice of food groups with regard to organic produce.

Ayruvedic. :cool:
 
Tell him that water is a chemical

true, a colourless, odourless liquid that evaporates without a trace under normal conditions, but inhale too much and you're a dead man! :D

i heard tell the goverment was seeding the air with this colourless, odourless gas that will eventually kill everyone with the ridiculous levels theyre adding, last i heard it was at 78% concentration and if it reaches 100% then goodbye world!
 
We are all aware fizzy drinks aren't good for you, but for me it's sugar over diet drinks.

I know what sugar is and what it does. Drinks that claim to taste the same but without sugar always makes me wonder exactly what chemicals they are using that I know little or nothing about. Hence why I avoid them :)
 
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