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Asrock removes Sky OC in mb's

millermilla said:
I assume that if a microcode BIOS update is forced via Win10 you can't just re-install the previous BIOS?

I will watch with interest on how this pans out. I have an i5 6400 bundle and have been very pleased with it so far. I am new to computer building and overclocking so was lead by advertising such as Approved, guaranteed, super value, safe, reliable etc. etc. Backed by 8Pack and various forum posts stating that all will be O.K as long as you don't update the BIOS.

I will be pretty gutted if a forced update means I no longer get what was advertised. I built my system based on this package and if there was reasonable doubt that I would not be able to achieve what was advertised within the first year I would have spent my cash on a different package.

I hope that if a forced update means no overclock for existing users OCUK will do the right thing by the people that bought bundles.
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Microsoft would have to be very brave to start auto updating computer BIOS/UEFI.
 
stewski said:
Microsoft would have to be very brave to start auto updating computer BIOS/UEFI.
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They won't update the BIOS.

They will release a microcode update as a windows update... it will be applied at every boot.

It will be a stability update... because it will improve stabilty by not allowing CPU's to run out of spec.

But hey, its OK because OCuK staff recommend not updating Windows:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=28995286

:rolleyes:
 
horrorwood said:
They won't update the BIOS.

They will release a microcode update as a windows update... it will be applied at every boot.
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Indeed. It's already been done in the past - the RTM build of windows 10 broke G3258 overclocking for many people. In some extreme cases, the only way people could get their pcs to boot in to windows was by running at stock AND disabling a CPU core in the BIOS. Eventually they back-pedalled and the 1511 update allowed G3258 overclocking again.
 
jigger said:
Intel made 3.1 billion last quarter. All intel chips are sold at a very healthy profit. ASRock would boost the sale of CPU's and chipsets a little. Intel make a killing either way...

Poor old Intel :p
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Yeah and then there would be a huge slump over the next few generations when everyone is rocking along with a half price i5 6400 @4.5ghz and see no reason to upgrade. Intel didn't get where they are by thinking short term they have a long term strategy and won't allow motherboard manufacturers to screw it up.

Some people on here seem to expect every corporation to run themselves into the ground doing whats best for customers like AMD have done, AMD haven't done it by choice they've just been so uncompetitive that they have had to sell their products for low margins and add all of the bells and whistles that their competitors don't to be more attractive. Bulldozer/Piledriver would have been laughable at their current prices if they had been locked, had they then price matched Intel with big margins they'd have been lucky to sell a single processor.

Intel sell their products at prices that the market will tolerate just like everyone else.
 
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mmj_uk said:
Yeah and then there would be a huge slump over the next few generations when everyone is rocking along with a half price i5 6400 @4.5ghz and see no reason to upgrade. Intel didn't get where they are by thinking short term they have a long term strategy and won't allow motherboard manufacturers to screw it up.

Some people on here seem to expect every corporation to run themselves into the ground doing whats best for customers like AMD have done, AMD haven't done it by choice they've just been so uncompetitive that they have had to sell their products for low margins and add all of the bells and whistles that their competitors don't to be more attractive. Bulldozer/Piledriver would have been laughable at their current prices if they had been locked, had they then price matched Intel with big margins they'd have been lucky to sell a single processor.

Intel sell their products at prices that the market will tolerate just like everyone else.
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We are talking about a small potion of a small market. It's a drop in the ocean to Intel but would give much needed cash to firms like ASRock.

Like I said, people don't seem to understand just how big Intel are or how much of the market they dominate.
 
Intel aren't there to prop up other businesses, if ASRock are struggling then they need to look at their own business plan, motherboard manufacturers such as Asus and Gigabyte have long since expanded into other markets.

ASRock make server motherboards btw so it's they aren't wholly reliant on the enthusiast market, not that it matters because like I said if they can't make money due to current market conditions then they should go bankrupt, that's capitalism.
 
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mmj_uk said:
Intel aren't there to prop up other businesses, if ASRock are struggling then they need to look at their own business plan which doesn't involve damaging a key partner, motherboard manufacturers such as Asus and Gigabyte have long since expanded into other markets.

ASRock make server motherboards btw so it's they aren't wholly reliant on the enthusiast market.
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True, but taking a dump on partners that buy chipsets from your firm when they're in pritty big trouble is hardly good business.
 
pastymuncher said:
Yes. You bought a bundle that was advertised as a overclocking bundle. If it's no longer overclockable through no fault of your own why shouldn't you get a refund?




But according to that article they can update the microcode with a windows update. If they did it that way then the way windows 10 gives you zero control over updates so the user cannot be held responsible and refunds should be given.
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You can disable updates in Win10, just need to edit group policy.
 
Wait,what Intel was running itself into the ground when they allowed overclocking on all their CPUs before Sandy Bridge?? :confused:

Thats a new one for me. I thought they were OK. It was CPUs like Itanium and Atom that have lost Intel billions AFAIK,not any of the Core lineup.

But then you can see Intel is just using desktop as a cash cow now.

You used to get sub £200 Core i7 chips,ie,CPUs like the Xeon E3 1230 series which would work in normal motherboards(I was one of the first to talk about them on UK tech forums and used a few myself) and knew many who used them too. Now Intel has made sure the Xeon E3 1230 V5 only works in more expensive motherboards with server chipsets,despite the last three generations being fine in normal chipsets - hence DIY builders who don't want to even overclock are pushed to spend more.
 
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Couldn't believe it when I read the new desktop Xeon chips need a specific workstation board/chipset. It's yet another pointless Skylake platform. If you really want to make use of ECC why wouldn't you just go X99 instead :confused:

I used to be a proud owner of a 1230v2 on 1155. Intel can take their marketing strategy and jam it firmly up their bum.
 
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Good job people like myself have pretty much every Z170 BIOS backed up. ;)

I know this is old news, but even ASRock and their latest 2.10 BIOS for the OC Formula still allowed for overclocking. It just injects an old microcode in upon reboot. :)
 
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