Asus AI Suite 3

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Hopefully someone can answer a couple of questions regarding AI Suite 3 with regard to CPU fan control & overclocking. I recently installed the software because it looked useful for easily checking CPU temp & fan speed with the ability to modify settings without entering BIOS. The first thing I ran was the Fan Xpert 3 tuner, as a result it started to run the CPU fan at full speed, the table showing fan speed against voltage had 2139 rpm at 0v. To solve the problem I uninstalled then reinstalled AI Suite but have not run fan tuner. Why does AI suite mess the CPU fan speeds up ? The other oddity with AI Suite is that it shows the CPU overclocked by 0.8% running a 3.9mhz, BIOS says its running at 3.5mhz, the chip is an i5 4690K on an ASUS Z97A mobo, which value would be correct, BIOS or AI Suite ?
I would be grateful if someone could answer the questions.
ATB
Greg
 
Try using the latest version of AI Suite, which I think is ASUS_AI_Suite_3_V3.00.60. Older versions may behave strangely with newer versions of Windows 10.

Are your fans four pin or three pin? Try swapping between smart mode and RPM mode to see if that works better.
 
Steampunk said:
Try using the latest version of AI Suite, which I think is ASUS_AI_Suite_3_V3.00.60. Older versions may behave strangely with newer versions of Windows 10.

Are your fans four pin or three pin? Try swapping between smart mode and RPM mode to see if that works better.
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Thanks for the prompt reply, I assume the version of AI Suite is the latest, on the ASUS website I had to enter the mobo model & there was only one version listed. The fans are 4 pin 12v PWM and its only the CPU fan that gets messed up by Fan xpert 3.
Regards
Greg
 
I've only ever had bad experiences using the Fan Xpert Auto Tuner, so I don't use it and configure fans speeds in bios instead or just tweak them in fan Xpert without running the auto tuner which IMO is trash and screws up a number of fans speeds be they DC or PWM. I just ignore any messages to auto tune my fans, because it will screw them up.

Regarding the auto OC % mine on a 9600K at 4.8 shows a 29% OC, so that 0.8% doesn't sound right to me.

A tip for the auto OC is it goes off your cooler score which you can run in bios a few times until you're happy with the score being accurate. Once you have a score you're happy with, turn off the Update cooler score setting in bios to set it at a solid rate. Otherwise it can up the cooler score and OC it even more automatically to unstable rates.

I basically don't trust any of the AI Suite auto settings apart from auto OC with a well tested and fixed cooler score.
 
yeoman said:
Thanks for the prompt reply, I assume the version of AI Suite is the latest, on the ASUS website I had to enter the mobo model & there was only one version listed. The fans are 4 pin 12v PWM and its only the CPU fan that gets messed up by Fan xpert 3.
Regards
Greg
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Those versions are old, as the motherboards are old, and newer windows updates make them misbehave. Try the newest version from Asus, and then try the fan tuning.
 
PC777 said:
I've only ever had bad experiences using the Fan Xpert Auto Tuner, so I don't use it and configure fans speeds in bios instead or just tweak them in fan Xpert without running the auto tuner which IMO is trash and screws up a number of fans speeds be they DC or PWM. I just ignore any messages to auto tune my fans, because it will screw them up.

Regarding the auto OC % mine on a 9600K at 4.8 shows a 29% OC, so that 0.8% doesn't sound right to me.

A tip for the auto OC is it goes off your cooler score which you can run in bios a few times until you're happy with the score being accurate. Once you have a score you're happy with, turn off the Update cooler score setting in bios to set it at a solid rate. Otherwise it can up the cooler score and OC it even more automatically to unstable rates.

I basically don't trust any of the AI Suite auto settings apart from auto OC with a well tested and fixed cooler score.
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Thanks for the info, I read my first post and realised the OC percentage was wrong it should have been 8% not 0.8%, I'll give the cooler score tip a go, and see what happens.
Regards
Greg
 
I would advise against it.
I recently uninstalled AI Suite, as it ****** about with my BIOS something chronic. It started with problems detecting the CPU_Fan on boot, despite there being a definite fan connected, and running at full speed. I kept having to go in and redo all the fan settings, change the modes, and all sorts of messing every single time I booted, as it would never save the changes to profile.
Eventually I had to reflash the BIOS and star afresh, as we just couldn't figure out what it was doing.

Given up and gone back to manual fan controller.
 
ttaskmaster said:
I would advise against it.
I recently uninstalled AI Suite, as it ****** about with my BIOS something chronic. It started with problems detecting the CPU_Fan on boot, despite there being a definite fan connected, and running at full speed. I kept having to go in and redo all the fan settings, change the modes, and all sorts of messing every single time I booted, as it would never save the changes to profile.
Eventually I had to reflash the BIOS and star afresh, as we just couldn't figure out what it was doing.

Given up and gone back to manual fan controller.
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LOL! I've been using it fine for years, though it does have it's idiosyncrasies. I find it's really handy and once it's all set up, you don't have to mess with it. Your mileage obviously varies.
 
ttaskmaster said:
I would advise against it.
I recently uninstalled AI Suite, as it ****** about with my BIOS something chronic. It started with problems detecting the CPU_Fan on boot, despite there being a definite fan connected, and running at full speed. I kept having to go in and redo all the fan settings, change the modes, and all sorts of messing every single time I booted, as it would never save the changes to profile.
Eventually I had to reflash the BIOS and star afresh, as we just couldn't figure out what it was doing.

Given up and gone back to manual fan controller.
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It may come to that, thanks for the advice.
ATB
Greg
 
Downloaded the latest version of AI Suite, ran Fan Xpert 3 and the CPU fan went to full speed, the table showing voltage/fan speed shows 0v/2139rpm, I am a little disappointed with the results. The next step I guess is to reinstall it but not run the fan tuner. I did notice that the CPU temp & fan speed were up and down like a yo-yo (not by vast amounts, a degree either way and 10 to 100 rpm) before running Fan Xpert 3, is that normal ?
 
Steampunk said:
LOL! I've been using it fine for years, though it does have it's idiosyncrasies. I find it's really handy and once it's all set up, you don't have to mess with it. Your mileage obviously varies.
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Seems there are some for whom it works fine, but a metric **** tonne of those who experienced problems and things being changed without notification, especially on X99. Asus released several patches for that one, but seemingly never got it resolved.

yeoman said:
Downloaded the latest version of AI Suite, ran Fan Xpert 3 and the CPU fan went to full speed, the table showing voltage/fan speed shows 0v/2139rpm, I am a little disappointed with the results. The next step I guess is to reinstall it but not run the fan tuner. I did notice that the CPU temp & fan speed were up and down like a yo-yo (not by vast amounts, a degree either way and 10 to 100 rpm) before running Fan Xpert 3, is that normal ?
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Small temp and fan speed variances is normal, yes. Your core activity will spike briefly as stuff happens in the background, so your temps will do likewise and so will your fans.
Were it me, I'd maybe try QFan tuning in the BIOS as mentioned above, and then use FanXpert just for setting curves and switching profiles.
 
Yeah it doesn't play well with all setups, especially the auto fan tuning which never worked well for me whatever updated version. I've even disabled AI Suite 3 from running on start up, I only ever run it if I need to tweak something. Though it still applies the auto OC and fan settings through bios without even having to run it at startup at all.

Though it's mostly all fine for tuning manually and the Auto OC works well with a static and accurate cooler score, you're still better off setting fans in bios IMO and I still also use Argus fan monitor for finer tuning as there's some things Fan Expert or even bios can't do at all, like run DC fans lower than 50%.
 
yeoman said:
Downloaded the latest version of AI Suite, ran Fan Xpert 3 and the CPU fan went to full speed, the table showing voltage/fan speed shows 0v/2139rpm, I am a little disappointed with the results. The next step I guess is to reinstall it but not run the fan tuner. I did notice that the CPU temp & fan speed were up and down like a yo-yo (not by vast amounts, a degree either way and 10 to 100 rpm) before running Fan Xpert 3, is that normal ?
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I think you may find that AI suite auto selects high power setting, and it changes your windows power profile to high power. You need to go into windows power settings and change it back to balanced power. If you don't want it changing the fan settings on usage, you need to go into the EPU settings for power and performance modes and disable "enable away mode".

You really need to run the fan tuner to get it to work the way it should. AISuite will then know how to power the fans to make them spin correctly. Then you can choose to modify the settings to change the spinup-spindown times, or to change the fan curves.
 
ttaskmaster said:
Seems there are some for whom it works fine, but a metric **** tonne of those who experienced problems and things being changed without notification, especially on X99. Asus released several patches for that one, but seemingly never got it resolved.
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The quality of Asus' programmers seems to be pretty variable, especially given they charge such a premium. It used to be the case that you lived with that because of their good products, but even that is no longer a given. The fact that Windows updates can regularly break the Asus software shows they are not sticking to programming guidelines, which basically means they are winging it as they go along.
 
After messing around with AI Suite 3 for the last couple of days I have decided to uninstall it because no matter what I do every time I run fan xpert 3 it messes up my CPU fan control. I would just like to thank everyone who replied for their help.
Regards
Greg
 
Just out of interest did you check what your fan settings were in BIOS for the CPU fan? I'm guessing if you had set this to use manual settings there could be a conflict between BIOS and FanXpert? I've used FanXpert with my last two motherboards (Z77 & X470) without issue.
 
PieEater said:
Just out of interest did you check what your fan settings were in BIOS for the CPU fan? I'm guessing if you had set this to use manual settings there could be a conflict between BIOS and FanXpert? I've used FanXpert with my last two motherboards (Z77 & X470) without issue.
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Just had a look at the fans in BIOS, all the fans are set to standard, the CPU fan has PWM selected & the four case fans have DC selected. All the fans have CPU as the control source. This configuration is how it was set when I received the computer.
ATB
Greg
 
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