ASUS - Where do I complain?

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I am absolutely gobsmacked by the way Asus handles after sale care... I have seen many reports on here about Asus being very bad, luckily I never had that experience due to nothing breaking.

Well the times have changed and sending back a 4890 has been an eye opening experience.

I would LOVE to know how you add a premium to your graphics cards with a three year warranty, but when the user comes to send one back after JUST A YEAR, you shoot me in the face with a £21 RMA request to some crappy 3rd party company. Even overclockers wont send it back... wow great service guys, I'll pay to send it through another company even though I've spent many thousands with you.

Hopefully your representative will see this, I would love to chat with him properly, I have been a loyal customer for 6-8 years to just Asus and now you've just lost me.

Rgds in anger,

Rob
 
Did you get a reason to what the £21 was for? Was that before you even sent the card back? Ive had a few asus cards before and loads of motherboards fortunately ive not had to RMA any, yet......
 
I think we need a few more details as to what exactly the problem was and what the justification for the charge is.

Legally speaking (legal bods please correct me if I'm wrong), your contract is with the seller (in this case OcUK) and they are obliged to offer a like for like replacement or fix if the product hasn't lasted a reasonable amount of time. Going direct to manufacturers is only really done to save the retailer fuss and to cut out the middleman so you get your card back more quickly.
 
The problem is fairly simple:

My 4890 started producing BSODs etc on my machine, took it out and ran my single 4890 and all was good, put it back in and started BSODs again. The 4890 is faulty so asked OcUK what do I do? They said I have to contact Asus directly... that is what I done and this is what I got back.

Dear Valued Customer,
Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.

Please go to this URL where UK RMA customer needs to go in order to apply for an RMA:
**LINK REMOVED AS IT IS A COMPETITOR :)**

The fee is for shipping and insurance costs, the customer doesn't have to pay anything toward the repair of the item but we do ask that they pay the shipping to the repair centre and we pay for shipping it back. the reason for this is as the standard procedure is to go back to your place of purchase and they will RMA through the distributor so the customer doesn't need to pay for shipping, however if they deal with ASUS directly they will need to pay the shipping fee.
(Notice the cheek to refer to me as valued customer...)

The link led to this:

Rma Request
£21.00
Asus

I still haven't sent off the RMA, it's sitting downstairs wrapped up while I try resolve this.

My purchase from OcUK: 14 Jun, 09

Warranty 3 years.
 
OK, so basically they're asking for shipping costs, which is something you usually have to pay with any RMA. You are responsible for getting it to them, so I'd ask if you can send it yourself (is it a courier pickup?) via Royal mail or your courier of choice (should cost around £7, go to www.parcel2go.com). Make sure the insurance is up to the value too. The price they're asking is obscene unless it's going a long distance abroad. I was under the impression Asus had a UK RMA centre.
 
OK, so basically they're asking for shipping costs, which is something you usually have to pay with any RMA. You are responsible for getting it to them, so I'd ask if you can send it yourself (is it a courier pickup?) via Royal mail or your courier of choice (should cost around £7, go to www.parcel2go.com). Make sure the insurance is up to the value too. The price they're asking is obscene unless it's going a long distance abroad. I was under the impression Asus had a UK RMA centre.

No mate that is what's doing my head in. If it was £21 for a courier pickup to THEIR shop to send ONTO asus I'd be ok with that, convienience no? But no that £21 is JUST their end... I have to ship to them. So infact its more like £21 for an RMA number and £8 to ship.

Sending via courier isn't an issue as I have a business account, it's the fact that I'm paying for something useless when I've already paid £20-30 MORE for the Asus product with 3 year warranty.
 
So that's in addition to carriage costs? That's not acceptable for a product in warranty. If ASUS won't budge, talk to OcUK, your legal contract is with them remember and technically they should take it back and sort it with their supplier anyway.
 
In this thread about Asus 5 day turnaround, VK (Asus rep) says that you should go through the reseller for RMA's. In your case OCUK. Drop OCUK a webnote pointing out VK's comments in the linked thread and see if they will budge.
 
That thread is relating to motherboards only I think, not sure about the GFX RMAs or if they've changed at all.

Get OcUK to replace/fix it for you, you're within your rights to ask for them to do that.
 
Cheers for your support guys, will drop OcUK a line and find out what the situation is... it says on site that they don't support OcUK products BEFORE or AFTER 28 days - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/support.php.

If OcUK can reply here it would be nice so that others know what to do in this situation, it seems to be a minefield.
 
I think we need a few more details as to what exactly the problem was and what the justification for the charge is.

Legally speaking (legal bods please correct me if I'm wrong), your contract is with the seller (in this case OcUK) and they are obliged to offer a like for like replacement or fix if the product hasn't lasted a reasonable amount of time. Going direct to manufacturers is only really done to save the retailer fuss and to cut out the middleman so you get your card back more quickly.

i believe there is a loophole that basicly says the seller is allowed to use an agent as a repairer, the agents they use are the manufacturers, but the seller is ultimately responsible if the manufacturer fail to repair in "reasonable time" The seller can be liable for something like 6 years, but the person who bought it has to prove they didnt break the item themselves after 6 months, but ofcourse usually warrentys protect you for longer than that.
 
i believe there is a loophole that basicly says the seller is allowed to use an agent as a repairer, the agents they use are the manufacturers, but the seller is ultimately responsible if the manufacturer fail to repair in "reasonable time" The seller can be liable for something like 6 years, but the person who bought it has to prove they didnt break the item themselves after 6 months, but ofcourse usually warrentys protect you for longer than that.

Yeah the thing that confuses me Jamie, is why are OcUK allowing me to go to a competitor to get it sent off for RMA? If there are problems with my product, surely OcUK should be the one shipping it off to Asus and claiming money back from THEM, that is how most RMA processes work as far as I am aware.

The fact of the matter is, the end user is having to fork out large amounts of cash for something they have already purchased with the product (or atleast thought they had purchased). I have always had to foot the bill for sending my product to OcUK for repair (£8 or so) which is fine, but paying £21 for a RMA number and further £8 to ship for RMA is a joke.

Hopefully someone will provide some recourse here, but does sound like something unfair is happening to the end consumer.

European Directive States:

Where the term "guarantee" is used, it covers only commercial guarantees, which are defined as follows: "any additional undertaking given by a seller or producer, over and above the legal rules governing the sale of consumer goods, to reimburse the price paid, to exchange, repair or handle a product in any way, in the case of non-conformity of the product with the contract".
It continues to state:

The seller is liable to the consumer for any lack of conformity which exists when the goods are delivered to the consumer and which arises within a period of two years from delivery. However, the lack of conformity cannot be accepted if, at the moment of conclusion of the contract of sale, the consumer knew or could not reasonably have been unaware of the lack of conformity.
I now argue that OcUK did infact mislead with conformity on the following description of a "Warranty" on the product stating a THREE YEAR warranty without these restrictions being placed. This influenced my decision to purchase the ASUS product, if I had know the warranty was infact different to other competitors I would have chosen a different manufacturer.

When a lack of conformity is notified to the seller, the consumer will be entitled to ask:

  • for the goods to be repaired or replaced free of charge within a reasonable period and without major inconvenience to the consumer;
  • for an appropriate reduction to be made to the price, or for the contract to be rescinded, if repair or replacement is impossible or disproportionate, or if the seller has not remedied the shortcoming within a reasonable period or without major inconvenience to the consumer.
I'm no legal eagle, only done a few bits while at University... hopefully someone can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong? This issue STILL continues to this day - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-219-AS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1515 as referenced here stating a "3 YEAR WARRANTY".

OcUK if you wish to discuss this in private and remove this post I understand, as this chat may have exceeded the limits that should be in the public domain. I have posted a webnote and hope for your reply soon.
 
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good luck rex, im no legal expert either unfortunatly, but sounds like you might have a case with the conformity thing.

im not sure if a seller can insist you take it up with the manufacturer or whether they are obliged to send it off for you if you insist.

also not sure if the "repair has to be carried out free of charge" part includes things like shipping costs either.

sorry i couldn't be of more help!
 
Ignoring the legal side, could I check your reasoning here:

4890 crossfire leads to bsod
Taking one card out removes bsod

Have you confirmed that the card you think is faulty, when used by itself, causes bsod?

Otherwise you may be rma'ing a working card because the drivers crap themselves at the thought of crossfire.
 
Ignoring the legal side, could I check your reasoning here:

4890 crossfire leads to bsod
Taking one card out removes bsod

Have you confirmed that the card you think is faulty, when used by itself, causes bsod?

Otherwise you may be rma'ing a working card because the drivers crap themselves at the thought of crossfire.

Given I've had the card tested by electrical engineer... yes I'm quite sure. And yes I've put the card in by itself and causes BSOD, do you think I would have came this far if I wasn't 100% sure?
 
do you think I would have came this far if I wasn't 100% sure?

It's best not to assume anything when diagnosing faults, and none of us are infallible. I'm surprised the question offended you.

Did your engineer say what the fault was out of interest?
 
It's best not to assume anything when diagnosing faults, and none of us are infallible. I'm surprised the question offended you.

Did your engineer say what the fault was out of interest?

Some of the surface mount components had gone kaput, he just told me I should RMA it. I knew the card had gone anyway, hadn't had a single BSOD in a year, then suddenly kept coming one after another, gradually getting worse. Removed that card and fixed it. That all happened on the same drivers that I had been using for a while.

Sayso, done btw, thanks.
 
I had EXACTLY the same problem with a Gigabyte mobo I bought, in the end I paid a total of £30 (it broke 3 times).

OCUK were useless, I had to deal with an outside company.

I decided to buy an ASUS P6T-SE instead to get rid of Gigabyte and that rubbish fee, how upset I am now i've read this thread.

Yeah OCUK do suck for after sales. Im dreading not receiving the harddrive which I ordered on Monday because I never selected the correct shipment method (2nd class post!!) as I still haven't received it (usual or over worried?).

The amount of cash OCUK must be turning over I would personally expect better. What happens if I try and return an item in store?
 
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