Asus x38

gurusan · 29 Mar 2008 at 20:05

the only real reason I can see to switch to the Rampage bios are the memory tweaking settings for that extra .1 fps in benchmarks

JoeDredd · 29 Mar 2008 at 20:12

pastymuncher said:
Changing motherboards will not change your temps. If you need to change anything it may be your case or fans. You need to optimise your airflow or try re-seating your heatsink.

I had a stable (prime small fft's, 24hours) 3.8Ghz with a Q6600 on this board with bios 502 (latest is 605 and even better) and watercooled. Idle temps were 28 degrees and prime load was 62 degrees.

for comparison I have been on my PC for about 3 hours and idle temps are 43,39,42,43....the case fans are set to medium (top and rear), HSF is about 1/2 way...do these seem hot :confused:

Seeing as you hit 3.8 with a WC system...am I trying to hard for 3.6 on air

JoeDredd · 29 Mar 2008 at 20:12

gurusan said:
the only real reason I can see to switch to the Rampage bios are the memory tweaking settings for that extra .1 fps in benchmarks

and you know its gottas be done to gain another step up the rankings

pastymuncher · 30 Mar 2008 at 14:23

JoeDredd said:
for comparison I have been on my PC for about 3 hours and idle temps are 43,39,42,43....the case fans are set to medium (top and rear), HSF is about 1/2 way...do these seem hot

Seeing as you hit 3.8 with a WC system...am I trying to hard for 3.6 on air

It does seem a tad warm at idle to me. Then again, i have no experience of clocking a Q6600 on air. It just seems to me that with idle temps being that high then load temps are going to be uncomfortably high. Just had a quick look in the Q6600 clocking thread and people report temps of 35-38 degrees idle and 55-60 load when using Tuniq Towers/Scythe Ninja's with the Q6600 clocked at 3.4Ghz and 1.4v. Mine was at 1.52v by the way, so the WC loop had even more heat to shift along with the NB and GPU.

Just checking, you do have a G0 and not a B3 stepping?

JoeDredd · 30 Mar 2008 at 14:48

yes its the G0

Davy644 · 30 Mar 2008 at 16:56

pastymuncher said:
The only thing is that quads are not properly supported until 201. How much ram do you have? If you are running 4x sticks try increasing the NB voltage a notch or two. Did you clear cmos and then re-enter all the settings in the bios after you flashed? How did you flash? EZ flash (ALT+F2 on booting) or the windows utility which is pants?

Hi,I have 2 stix 2x1 gig Ballistic 8500 @2.1v
I changed the BIOS from 207 to 605 with the asus update which went smoothly without a problem..may of been just lucky however i did wait till midnight to do it .. no i didnt clear the Cmos,should i have done so,after clocking both memory & CPU to 333FSB without adjusting voltage just like i used to clock with the older BIOS the problem i have at the mo is it crashes/freezes after being left idol for a few minutes,
Thanks :cool:

Davy

pastymuncher · 31 Mar 2008 at 11:34

Davy644 said:
Hi,I have 2 stix 2x1 gig Ballistic 8500 @2.1v
I changed the BIOS from 207 to 605 with the asus update which went smoothly without a problem..may of been just lucky however i did wait till midnight to do it .. no i didnt clear the Cmos,should i have done so,after clocking both memory & CPU to 333FSB without adjusting voltage just like i used to clock with the older BIOS the problem i have at the mo is it crashes/freezes after being left idol for a few minutes,
Thanks
Davy

I always clear the cmos after flashing the bios. Don't know if it's neccessary but i have never had any problems. It does'nt take long to re-enter the settings. EZFlash is the best way to flash and you were very lucky it did'nt fail. Even if it did it would still be recoverable though. Ballistix is 2.2v by the way.

***Edit*** Did a little experiment this afternoon. I flashed back to 602 and cleared CMOS entered all my settings saved and rebooted to check it was still ok. Then i reflashed to 605 rebooted and did'nt clear CMOS. I had a black screen and could'nt load XP. Shut down, cleared CMOS (got to love that little switch, better than a jumper) and then rebooted and re-entered all my settings. Saved, rebooted and all is well. Maybe something from the old bios gets left behind and you have to clear CMOS for it to work properly.

New bios out soon by the way. 607 is up on the Asus ftp server. Give it a week and it will be available for download from the P5E support/download page.

Davy644 · 1 Apr 2008 at 16:08

@ pastymuncher Thanks I appreciate it i will give it a try Thursday just hope it will end my cold boot ups and freezes and then can get back onto my original o/c settings of 3.2 plus a few more i have to try as ave been reading some good clocking threads lately think a will do a fresh install and just start a fresh cheers Davy

will check out the latest Bios from Asus too

Davy644 · 1 Apr 2008 at 16:27

Say is it possible that my C2Quad is not suitable for these later Bios updates for the new 45nm CPUs as i have read somewere that certain peeps have been rolling back to Bios 203 for P5E as they seem to have the same Ram and processor as me (sig)Thanks for the input Davy

pastymuncher · 1 Apr 2008 at 20:36

Davy644 said:
Say is it possible that my C2Quad is not suitable for these later Bios updates for the new 45nm CPUs as i have read somewere that certain peeps have been rolling back to Bios 203 for P5E as they seem to have the same Ram and processor as me (sig)Thanks for the input Davy

I was running a Q6600 G0 @3.8Ghz with the same ram as you (still have it actually) but with the ram tightened up to 5-4-4-9 and using bios versions 203/303/401/402 and finally 502. Never had a problem with any of them and certainly never had any of these Ballistix problems that people have been complaining about. There must be some sort of problem though because Crucial have removed the PC2 8500 Ballistix from their compatiability list for the P5E. Have you set your Ballistix to the 2.2v they require?

gurusan · 1 Apr 2008 at 21:39

What sort of settings are people using for higher fsbs? Like above 480-500?

Davy644 · 2 Apr 2008 at 01:57

Normal use i run it at 2.1 as its not running faster than 800 but hve tried 2.2v and changed the freq to 1066 and it wont boot up,

just tried it again and it seems ok for now 2.2v @5,5,5,15 freq 1066 :cool:

pastymuncher · 2 Apr 2008 at 12:04

gurusan said:
What sort of settings are people using for higher fsbs? Like above 480-500?

Are we talking about a dual? I had my E8500 up to 520fsb and you really do have to crank up the motherboard voltages. Unfortunately i did'nt write down the settings but if i remember rightly the FSB termination voltage, NB voltage were into the red and SB voltage was something like 1.20v and the SB 1.5v voltage was at 1.60v. I had both GTL settings at 0.63x as the Wolfdales seem to be more stable set to that. I also have the NB watercooled and a big lapped Zalman NB heatsink on the southbridge. Sorry i can't give you any more specific settings.

Try this thread over at XS. Loads of good stuff in there. Last page has a E8500 at 510 and a E8400 at 528. No settings though although there are earlier on in the thread.

gurusan · 2 Apr 2008 at 12:32

thanks for the info...my e6750 doesn't really want to go over 470fsb and I haven't figured out if it's the chip or mobo yet.

I'll try dropping the multi and playing around with some voltages.

Turrican · 2 Apr 2008 at 15:04

Hi, I've just ordered the P5E and after a lot of research am edging towards this ram for it:

G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PK PC2-6400C4 (2x2GB) CAS4 Dual Channel Kit (F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK)

Does this seem like the right Ram to get in combination with a Wolfdale E8400, to achieve a mild overclock?

pastymuncher · 2 Apr 2008 at 19:11

Turrican said:
Hi, I've just ordered the P5E and after a lot of research am edging towards this ram for it:

G.Skill 4GB DDR2 PK PC2-6400C4 (2x2GB) CAS4 Dual Channel Kit (F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK)

Does this seem like the right Ram to get in combination with a Wolfdale E8400, to achieve a mild overclock?

This stuff is very highly regarded over at XS for this board.

gurusan · 2 Apr 2008 at 19:40

That's the same as the ReaperX ram as well, just different heatspreaders right?

Turrican · 3 Apr 2008 at 01:50

pastymuncher said:
This stuff is very highly regarded over at XS for this board.

Well kind of, it seems you have to have a certain bios version to tell the settings to run at 1002 speed. Others have said that the more expensive 1066 G.Skills are a better bet.

6400 / 8000 / 8500...its a very confusing situation, especially when you throw in the new Wofldale CPUs and the possibility that people are moving to 8gb in the next year....I just don't know what to gamble on - help!

Davy644 · 3 Apr 2008 at 02:10

Turrican said:
Well kind of, it seems you have to have a certain bios version to tell the settings to run at 1002 speed. Others have said that the more expensive 1066 G.Skills are a better bet

Why not just run the cheaper 1002 @ 1066 am sure it will,as thats what i plan to do with mine

Turrican · 3 Apr 2008 at 09:35

Davy644 said:
Why not just run the cheaper 1002 @ 1066 am sure it will,as thats what i plan to do with mine

Can I ask why you plan choose that ram over the 6400/800mhz type?

Edit - more and more tales of woe on the forums, I think I am going to go with a safe cheap option like G.Skill 4GB 6400C5 5-5-5-15, and then upgrade later once I'm sure the motherboard is stable. Plus in regards to 8gb it seems like you need the looser, slower modules so this would give me an upgrade path.