Asylum map of Britain

basmic · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:23

vonhelmet said:
Immigrants? You mean like my mother? The immigrant who has been gainfully employed since she arrived and who I'd wager speaks better English than you? Please pick a more accurate term with which to generalise, unless you really want to kick every last person out of this country.

I couldn't give a flying **** what your mother does. At the end of the day, she is in a immigrant. It's as black and white as this: she's an immigrant, or she's not an immigrant.

To be perfectly honest with you, I feel this country has enough burdons of it's own, without having to cater for it's own people.

Melm0 · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:24

fozzybear said:
I don't know why, but the high number of immigrants in the North East really surprised me.

Might be because:

There are no figures for London and most of the South-east and only limited numbers for Scotland and Wales

cleanbluesky · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:27

phykell said:
I see no ships!

Between us we would make a poor crew...

Vonhelmet · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:30

basmic said:
I couldn't give a flying **** what your mother does. At the end of the day, she is in a immigrant. It's as black and white as this: she's an immigrant, or she's not an immigrant.

So my mother should leave? And me with her? Why? She contributes to the system, as do I.

What exactly is your reasoning for saying immigrants should leave? Is it because they are immigrants, or because you believe they contribute nothing to the system, but rather sap it? What about an immigrant who contributes to the system?

I fear logic is absent from your thinking on this matter.

@if ®afiq · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:42

basmic said:
I couldn't give a flying **** what your mother does. At the end of the day, she is in a immigrant.

A you a full-blood native? Are you parents? Their parents and their parents before them? Can you trace your family line back to Mr England, who happened to chance across this great country and blessed it with his name?

cleanbluesky · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:44

@if ®afiq said:
A you a full-blood native? Are you parents? Their parents and their parents before them? Can you trace your family line back to Mr England, who happened to chance across this great country and blessed it with his name?

You dont need a lineage to be English, but it can help

Vonhelmet · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:48

cleanbluesky said:
You dont need a lineage to be English, but it can help

I think the point is more a question of "How English is English?" Somewhere back in the line we're all immigrants to some degree or another, so just where do we draw the line?

Rich_L · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:51

vonhelmet said:
I think the point is more a question of "How English is English?" Somewhere back in the line we're all immigrants to some degree or another, so just where do we draw the line?

We can draw the line wherever we want, we were here first so ner ner ner.

Zip · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:52

Rich_L said:
We can draw the line wherever we want, we were here first so ner ner ner.

Weren't the Celts there first so basically if you arnt a Celt you really are an immigrant

cleanbluesky · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:53

vonhelmet said:
I think the point is more a question of "How English is English?" Somewhere back in the line we're all immigrants to some degree or another, so just where do we draw the line?

It depends whether you mean racially or ethnically English. At least 50% of ethnic minorities I have discussed sch issues with do not consider themselves English or British, more often than not they consider themselves West Indian/African/Pakistani etc... before British...

Such a rule of thumb seems appropriate for me, there will always be exceptions to this of course - but as a rough guide it seems fine...

FTM · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:54

if he's from darlington..chances are his family is either from north of the border or probably has scandinavian roots..most of the original angles/saxons lived further south..we were all picts up here...and then the vikings turned up and settled

me? my ancestors hark back to north of the border

Visage · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:55

Rich_L said:
We can draw the line wherever we want, we were here first so ner ner ner.

Well *I* can trace my lineage back to some primordial slime 120 million years ago in a puddle near Swindon, so nerrr......

cleanbluesky · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:55

Zip said:
Weren't the Celts there first so basically if you arnt a Celt you really are an immigrant

No, this country was de-regionalised by Caesar - therefore anyone WASP, Celt, Pict (I think) or even Gaulish are free to call themselves English...

phykell · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:56

cleanbluesky said:
Between us we would make a poor crew...

5 points for who originally said it (except you CBS 'cos you know the answer). I wonder if any flag wavers will get it?

Vonhelmet · 5 Jun 2006 at 15:57

cleanbluesky said:
It depends whether you mean racially or ethnically English. At least 50% of ethnic minorities I have discussed sch issues with do not consider themselves English or British, more often than not they consider themselves West Indian/African/Pakistani etc... before British...

Such a rule of thumb seems appropriate for me, there will always be exceptions to this of course - but as a rough guide it seems fine...

Whatever. My point is that people argue and bitch about how immigrants don't integrate and don't contribute to the system and so on. This is a ludicrous generalisation as plenty of immigrants do all these things. On the other hand, plenty of homegrown British people are lazy scroungers who live in cesspit ghetto council estates. So, do we chuck out the immigrants, some of whom work and are useful, or the lazy scroungers, some of whom are British born and bred? Here's a revolutionary idea! COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SCROUNGERS!

Rich_L · 5 Jun 2006 at 16:00

But it's the immigrants' fault that we have native scroungers because THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!

Visage · 5 Jun 2006 at 16:01

vonhelmet said:
Here's a revolutionary idea! COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SCROUNGERS!

Nice idea, but it'll never catch on. Its *always* easier to blame foreigners.

cleanbluesky · 5 Jun 2006 at 16:01

vonhelmet said:
Here's a revolutionary idea! COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SCROUNGERS!

You say it as if it isn't already a feature of both GD and SC... this practice wouldn't take much effort to spread into Hardware either...

Visage · 5 Jun 2006 at 16:01

Rich_L said:
But it's the immigrants' fault that we have native scroungers because THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!

Dey tuk err jbs!

phykell · 5 Jun 2006 at 16:02

Visage said:
Dey tuk err jbs!

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