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i know about my unreliable evidence lol, but thats how it gets people talking about it... i'd say most or the 250 odd pages on the bulldozer thread are filled with speculation and crap from unreliable sources yet it gets people talking, and with the 2010 quote i was trying to show that they couldnt keep up with demand lol, and i was linking the performance of bulldozer and 700 series by this: say the 7000 series are being developed yet AMD are having some extremely majour issues with the 7000 series so more attention goes to the 7000 series to iron problems out... which COULD have caused bulldozer to suffer... and yeah its a long shot but its my 2 pence worth lol we're all entitled to opinions and ideas no? i respect your opinion on the matter but i dont think you can see my opinion and what im trying to say?

and with me sayin i think AMD will/may release the cards next year because i personally think all their r&d should go to bulldozer for the refresh and TSMC wont be able to be ready for full scale production until Q4 or Q1 but i strongly feel it will be Q1 due to possible delays that are likely to happen,, because of this as soon as TSMC are ready the 7k's and 600's can be produced but do you expect them to be released at the same time? and one company has to release first but both will be relluctant due to the whole 'wait till this is out' senario so say nvidia release first, it'll then be a few months until the 7k's will be released and visa versa,
 
Even if it's true then it sounds as if they could be pricey.

Higher production costs and limited supply are not a good combination for reasonable prices.

Yeah, especially with etailers sticking the boot in on price whenever they feel like it :( The words "supply and demand" must be like an orgasm to most of them,.
 
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The other thing that's going to effect prices is the $:£ exchange rate. If the pound is strong against the dollar it will help keep prices down but with the latest of quantitative easing the £ is most likely going to devalue making everything more expensive.
 
Currently 580gtx is the fastest card around, there are plenty of people who buy the fastest card around no matter who makes it, AMD, for the SAME MANUFACTURING COSTS, can make a card maybe 50-60% faster than the 580gtx.

If AMD can release cards that are 30-60% faster at every price point....... you think they'll delay? So rather than blow Nvidia out the water and get huge sales, they'll wait, so Nvidia gets higher sales now, and AMD won't get as many sales when they do release the cards.


I agree on the 1st point, I am such a person that wants the fastest single card whoever makes it. Always owned my graphics cards in that way.

BUT I don't believe the 7970 is going to be 50-60% faster then a GTX-580. AMD will be looking at maybe 10%-25% max better performance then a GTX 580 to be able to sell the cards at a price that pulls people in and to trade in their GTX-580/ATI 5870/6950's and 70's for the new 7970. If they released a card a lot faster then the GTX-580/ATI 5870/6950's and 70's they will have to price it high and their next update of cards will see the same tiny jump in performance as from 5870 to 6970.. All 5870 users found the 69xx series a pointless update as I did. After reading about the 28nm process and how the GPU market is shaped at the moment, I don't believe we will see the 7970's till mid next year at earliest and we will maybe see before Xmas or January the low end desktop parts only. (Just my feeling how things are going for AMD at the moment).

This is why I grabbed a GTX-580 last week and sold my 5870.
 
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I agree on the 1st point, I am such a person that wants the fastest single card whoever makes it. Always owned my graphics card in that way.

BUT I don't believe the 7970 is going to be 50-60% faster then a GTX-580. AMD will be looking at maybe 10%-25% max better performance then a GTX 580 to be able to sell the cards at a price that pulls people in and to trade in their GTX-580/ATI 5870/6950's and 70's for the new 7970. If they released a card a lot faster then the GTX-580/ATI 5870/6950's and 70's they will have to price it high and their next update of cards will see the same tiny jump in performance as from 5870 to 6970.. All 5870 users found the 69xx series a pointless update as I did. After reading about the 28nm process and how the GPU market is shaped at the moment, I don't believe we will see the 7970's till mid next year at earliest and we will maybe see before Xmas or January the low end desktop parts only. (Just my feeling how things are going for AMD at the moment).

This is why I grabbed a GTX-580 last week and sold my 5870.

10-25% on a full node upgrade? Unlikely to the point of absurdity.

Sounds like you're just attempting to justify your purchase to be honest. Can't blame you though, I recently bought two 6950s, only to hear this news.
 
10-25% on a full node upgrade? Unlikely to the point of absurdity.

Sounds like you're just attempting to justify your purchase to be honest. Can't blame you though, I recently bought two 6950s, only to hear this news.

Well did you read about bullbozer ? ;).. I have a feeling 79xx series are going to be giving people waiting for the 79xxx cards a Bulldozer like feeling when they come out and the 89xx series you will see the real performance of the new 28nm process. OR if AMD wants to recover from the Bulldozer mess they may make the 7970's really powerful but like I said price them very high and keep stocks low just to price them even higher and then the 89xx series will be a little bump in performance and new architecture like the 5870 to 6970 .. Who knows mate but I have lost my faith in AMD after the Bulldozer mess and the 69xx series that I was hoping was going to be a nice jump in performance from the 5870 I had.. Also tired of having to deal with that fool Spyre (he's the forum admin @ AMD) on their support forums and his clan of rear kissers, they are all very rude and very unhelpful to new users and their typical answer is "GOOGLE IT" or "it has been answered" (well they couldn't find the answer that's why they asked grr), they come on their support forum to ask for help they direct to Google and sometimes ban the new user having some problem. They don't even help users with problems and try cover up what is obviously a driver or hardware problem in most cases. Only people that really did help when I reported problems was the driver team and they pushed out fixes in their next drivers. No bad feelings towards AMD if their 7970 is really going to be a lot faster than what I have at the time, i'm going to jump all over it.

Anyway happy to be back with Nvidia because I use FSX and FSX runs a lot better on Nvidia cards at the moment (it ran nice on the ATI 5870 too, didn't really notice any problems). Only times I update my pc is for FSX and to make video conversion and editing faster. Ohh just to add, I also got bored waiting for Intel to bring out the 2011 skt cpu's and motherboards.. Also the price of the 2011 kit looks like it's going to be silly and I also have the fears of the chipset disasters intel has sometimes with new chipsets and then having to bring out new revisions or a totally new chipset to fix certain problems, that's why I went Z68 motherboard and i7-2600K (so far this chipset seems stable and does what I need). I want my systems to just work and without hassle.. My work is I.T, I don't want to have to come home to my pcs and spend my free time fixing them too and I need them for my work too, so if they go down for any reason I loose work or upset clients.
 
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Hmm not seeing much evidence here other than "I've gone green, AMD are going to be rubbish (I hope)". With equally no evidence I reckon you're going to be disappointed ;)
 
hopefully its true, AMD need to bring some positive news for 2011 and if anything its looking at its graphics side in the Radeon 7000 series.

Heres hoping they have optimised and improved all areas and made it super fast for BF3 and upcoming games :)
 
it sounds like we might see something before the end of the year, actually getting one may prove near enough impossible though. It also sounds like they're probably going to be rediculously expensive as well :(
 
Hmm not seeing much evidence here other than "I've gone green, AMD are going to be rubbish (I hope)". With equally no evidence I reckon you're going to be disappointed ;)

Hope you are right mate, would not mind if they made a great graphics card and would force Nvidia to lower their prices too. As customers we win in that situation too, unless AMD price the cards really silly.
 
I doubt AMD will release their top, fastest card first, even if it is a huge improvement over a 580GTX. While there are some people that will always buy the fastest card available they're a minority. Most people will buy the best card they can afford which generally seems to be around £200 or thereabouts. Will AMD release a 7k series card at this price? You bet. Will it be the best card they can produce at this price point? Unlikely. Will it be better than any currently available card retailing for around £200? if it's not, AMD have FAILED.

I'm very interested in the 7k series cards, but if demand is high retailers will boost the price. If supply is low this could mean even higher prices. All the news and rumour points to low supply.
 
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I see some stupidity in this thread. The top end 7 series gpu will likely be around 70% faster or more than a 6970 as has been the case in nearly every node drop in the manufacturing process. Its usually the case that the next gen is usually on par if maybe a tad slower than the last gen top cards in crossfire. I dont see a reason for this to change. Its usually the same with nvidia also.

For example 3870x2 and the 4870, 4870x2 and the 5870. The 6970 was on the same node as the 5870 which cant really be counted. I would be surprised if this release is any different.

@ Misschief apart from the 6 series release amd and nvidia as drunkenmaster pointed out usually release there top end single gpu first.
 
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