Attacks On Guide Dogs

Castiel said:
You seem more concerned with the cost to you rather than the benefit to both bone fide breeders and owners...

Any dog breeder will have to visit or have a vet at some point, so will the owners, even to get the required vaccinations...this can act as one level of enforcement.....also just the fact that when the Police, RSPCA or LA investigate any allegations or incidents that they have very few powers currently would be different if the subject of any allegation has to have a licence and if not it would give the relevant authority the legal instruments to act sooner.....

and you have a driving licence system, why not a similar system of Dog Ownership.

And, yes it will make dog ownership more expensive, but then owning a dog should be a big commitment and should not be taken lightly and cost plays a large part in the ownership of anything.
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i agree owning a dog should be a commitment. for me its like having a child so a big responsibility. i am just wary of additional ways for gov to take money from us. they often then drop the service and keep the money (i.e. road tax now doesnt get spent on roads, which IIRC it initially did)

do dogs NEED to see vets though? i mean if i was a chav breeding staffies etc would i really need to see a vet? im sure many wouldnt. and this could well be to the detriment of the dogs as they would just not get to see vets. ********* dont care about the dogs.

the driving argument isnt as easy to compare. you need a license to get insurance, and to get car tax stamp you need insurance. much easier for the police to see you car isnt taxed and the authorities know you havent bought tax that year.

i agree that in an ideal world it might be the best option but we are far from an ideal world and this sort of thing usually just costs responsible people and doesnt achieve anything.
 
JDeeLFC said:
Maybe he just likes dogs :)
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your dog looks psychotic in the pic :)

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I have a mastiff, specifically a Dogue De Bordeaux. She loves memes, especially socially awkward penguin.

If my dog was being torn to shreds by a mastiff, i'd call the police and get a weapon ASAP because there is no way I'm taking on a 50+kg dog with my bare hands, especially one already in attack mode. I love my dogs but I'm not being mauled to death for one :)

If you tried to kill a dog that size with just your hands I'd be amazed if you survived the encounter and even if you did I can assure you that your quality of life would be significantly lower than it is now.
 
shawsy109 said:
im 6ft 1" and weigh 250 pounds, after 6 years in the Army, there aint much that scares me. Id strangle it. I would literally squeeze the life out of it. Im kind of a insensitive guy ( im told) but dogs, or any other animal thats hurt or abused makes me rage like the hulk
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i have to admit that i am the same. i like animals more than humans if im honest.

i would protect my dog like she was my daughter. (but not ahead of my son, sorry Poppy, gotta save Alex first!)

a good tip with dangerous dogs is they do have weaknesses. grab them by front legs and pull sideways. will kill most dogs. they are also pretty useless if you get a hand around their throat as they cant use their teeth on you.
 
snave said:
I have a mastiff, specifically a Dogue De Bordeaux. She loves memes, especially socially awkward penguin.

If my dog was being torn to shreds by a mastiff, i'd call the police and get a weapon ASAP because there is no way I'm taking on a 50+kg dog with my bare hands, especially one already in attack mode. I love my dogs but I'm not being mauled to death for one :)

If you tried to kill a dog that size with just your hands I'd be amazed if you survived the encounter and even if you did I can assure you that your quality of life would be significantly lower than it is now.
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Call the police? and what? bring guns? Your dog will be either dying or dead. Police wont lift a finger unless someones life is threatened. What would they do? cs gas? maybe, but would it stop a dog in hard mode? Baton? doubt it. Tazer? Same as guns, only trained officers use em. Good luck putting your dog back together. Affirmative action by yourself is the only way to stop it.

I would use every and anything at my disposal including my fists. Im not arguing the fact id probably take a ton on damage from the captain insaneo dog but id put my house on the fact it would be dead before it could endanger my dogs life.
 
Dogs are used by police not because they are superior fighting machines but because....

a) Dogs can run faster than humans hence the criminal having to deal with the dog (even if he fights and kills it) giving the cops (who are usually older and slower than the guy they're chasing time to catch up.

b) Because most humans have an innate fear of pain and know the dog can inflict this.

c) Because society, the media don't care as much if a dog dies in the line of action compared to a human.
 
Either you are completely delusional as to how tough you are, or you've never seen a large dog attack.

Hahaha, grab it's neck so it can't bite me. Let me know how that works out for you Stumpy.

Also if you're willing to risk your life to save your dog, I hope you don't have any dependables. Be tragic to read a story about some children being orphaned because daddy was stupid.
 
realBabelfish said:
haha... well said

i think a lot of people will risk their safety for their dogs and kids. i certainly would
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You read stories of people drowning and stuff like that trying to save their dogs. I love dogs, and would try to save a dog in certain situations. If it was futile to try, or danger to my life then maybe not.
 
shawsy109 said:
You read stories of people drowning and stuff like that trying to save their dogs. I love dogs, and would try to save a dog in certain situations. If it was futile to try, or danger to my life then maybe not.
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Hang on, you just said I would use every and anything at my disposal including my fists. Im not arguing the fact id probably take a ton on damage from the captain insaneo dog but id put my house on the fact it would be dead before it could endanger my dogs life. and you're changing your story already.

Love to see that conviction in the face of a 70kg mastiff coming at you.

Seriously the people here who think they could kill a large attacking dog with their hands are cracking me up!
 
shawsy109 said:
im 6ft 1" and weigh 250 pounds, after 6 years in the Army, there aint much that scares me. Id strangle it. I would literally squeeze the life out of it. Im kind of a insensitive guy ( im told) but dogs, or any other animal thats hurt or abused makes me rage like the hulk
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You need to go for soft tissue areas, eyes, joints, throat, don't allow the dog to reach your throat so offer your arm and push back into its maw, depending on the size of the dog trying to strangle it would be pretty difficult and largely ineffective trying to squeeze the life put of an attacking dog of the power of a Staffie or larger......you would be better trying to do to the dog what the dog is trying to do to you...ripping its throat out, which is highly unlikely as well. The strongest, most powerful part of many dogs is its upper torso and neck area......in any case inflicting as much noise and fear and if possible sharp, short pain in the dog rather than specifically trying to injure or kill the dog will be more effective at stopping a dog attack, they are ultimately pack animals and without a pack they will defer to anyone they think is the alpha. Trying to actually kill a large dog with your bare hands is unlikely to do anything other than get you seriously hurt, you need to scare the dog into submission.
 
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snave said:
Seriously the people here who think they could kill a large attacking dog with their hands are cracking me up!
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You are right that in reality most people would be too frozen by fear or compassion for the dog to take it on but I disagree that it's a physical impossibility.

As I said earlier a dogs only weapon is it's bite (and it's bark psychologically) whereas a human has opposable thumbs and extending limbs. Any well placed kick to the dog's ribcage would take it out and at a last resort you've always got the big hanging ball sack to give a squeeze (like us, that will disable them very quickly).

I think you are confusing what most people would do in that situation rather than imagining a 'fight' where both sides are genuinely going for the kill. In the latter I'd wager on the adult human most of the time.
 
snave said:
Hang on, you just said I would use every and anything at my disposal including my fists. Im not arguing the fact id probably take a ton on damage from the captain insaneo dog but id put my house on the fact it would be dead before it could endanger my dogs life. and you're changing your story already.

Love to see that conviction in the face of a 70kg mastiff coming at you.

Seriously the people here who think they could kill a large attacking dog with their hands are cracking me up!
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Ive seen the conviction or a taliban fighter with a AK 47 high on opium trying to take me apart, Ive seen men with legs and arms missing and still fight on with adrenaline keeping them going. You think a dog would worry me? shock maybe, but once adrenaline takes over, the human body is capable of incredible things.

Also, im not going to drown fighting a dog am I? unless dogs have evovled a secret water attack im unaware of. I dont constitute a raging dog life threatening. I wouldnt think twice about it. Id be in there like swim wear. If my dog was in a fast flowing river then thats the time to think "should I"
 
shawsy109 said:
Ive seen the conviction or a taliban fighter with a AK 47 high on opium trying to take me apart, Ive seen men with legs and arms missing and still fight on with adrenaline keeping them going. You think a dog would worry me? shock maybe, but once adrenaline takes over, the human body is capable of incredible things.

Also, im not going to drown fighting a dog am I? unless dogs have evovled a secret water attack im unaware of. I dont constitute a raging dog life threatening. I wouldnt think twice about it. Id be in there like swim wear. If my dog was in a fast flowing river then thats the time to think "should I"
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To be fair, it should worry you. A powerful and viscious dog attack is not something to take lightly regardless of your alleged combat experience.
 
estebanrey said:
Really, I would back myself to beat a dog in a fight if my life depended on it (in reality as an animal lover I wouldn't have the heart to but physically I think I could).

A dog's only weapon is it's mouth, compared my two legs, arms head etc.
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just remember once it starts shaking it's head with a grip on your fore arm it's breaking those bones and tearing chunks out.

but in this case the dog will probbaly be too busy with your dog to change it;s mind.
 
My mum's boyfriend has a staffy terrier.

She's very dangerous. There's a high chance she'll lick you to death :eek:

Seriously though, she's the nicest most friendly dog I know. Dangerous dogs are usually only dangerous because of the owner.
 
Shayper said:
Seriously though, she's the nicest most friendly dog I know.
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Everyone says this, now sit down in front of the dog and start poking it's face/eyes/pulling it's hair and generally doing what a Small child with poor motor control would do when playing with it, bet it starts acting quite unfriendly very fast but unlike a child you're old enough to know this means "stop that or I'm eating your face"
 
Tefal said:
just remember once it starts shaking it's head with a grip on your fore arm it's breaking those bones and tearing chunks out.

but in this case the dog will probbaly be too busy with your dog to change it;s mind.
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But that's the thing, the dog only has one method of attack and they don't seem to realise that shaking thing only works when what they're biting is lighter than they are. For example my friend's dog will bite onto it's toy bone but if you hold the other end you can pick the dog up, he then starts the shaking thing but is only shaking it's own body.

The dog has to get a bite first, then when it does that pretty much ends the dog's fighting ability. at 6'4" a dog would have to jump up to attack me (unless it went for my balls in which case kudos to the dog) at which point it's underside would be exposed which is it's weak point. Any strike to a dogs underside will see it run off whimpering.
 
estebanrey said:
But that's the thing, the dog only has one method of attack and they don't seem to realise that shaking thing only works when what they're biting is lighter than they are. For example my friend's dog will bite onto it's toy bone but if you hold the other end you can pick the dog up, he then starts the shaking thing but is only shaking it's own body.

The dog has to get a bite first, then when it does that pretty much ends the dog's fighting ability. at 6'4" a dog would have to jump up to attack me (unless it went for my balls in which case kudos to the dog) at which point it's underside would be exposed which is it's weak point. Any strike to a dogs underside will see it run off whimpering.
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Or it could just attack your legs.

Or when it pounced at you and you tried to protect your face with your arms maybe it would bite the **** out of them.

But you're 6' 4", what dog could have a chance.
 
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